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Alright guys, It's time to get down to business. Time to start the mod...

The idea:
We all want the absolute BEST cooling for our computers. However, we know we all hate spending our hard earned money. Well here's where the mod comes into play. I've been doing alot of digging and I've looked at a few closed loop watercooling units. First is the Antec 620 unit, basically the exact same unit as the Thermaltake water 2.0 performer unit. They have the exact same pump design, basically a rebranded unit. The Corsair H50 unit is also my other unit I'm interested in. The idea is to mod one of these units, whatever performs better, and create a dual, 240 rad cooling unit instead of a single, thin 120 radiator that it comes with.

The Goods:

Corsair H50 pump:

Specs on the H50 pump unit:
Pump Electrical:
12 VDC
2.6 W
That makes this pump only .216amps @ 12v for the H50 pump.
Update 1:
Works with 240 rad!
Downside: only gets around ~0.15GPM. Basically the pump has very little to no pressure and the flow rate is unbelievably terrible....I mean its SOO bad. I can't believe its even considered a closed loop cooling unit. So basically its down to the Thermaltake unit, which is what I wanted to use all along. The Corsair H50 unit can pump through a 240 radiator but I don't think it would provide any cooling performance increase because of the reduced flow.

So, Corsair = 0/1
Additional Flow rate and pressure specs:


Testing:

Free Flow:
0.18GPM
10.8GPH
40 l/hr
With 240 Rad:
0.15GPM
9GPH
30 l/hr




Thermaltake water 2.0 performer
Rebranded Asetek 545LC
http://www.asetek.com/desktop/cpu-coolers/545lc.html



Specs:
Pump Electrical:
12 VDC
3.1 W

That would be .258amps @ 12v for the 620 pump.
Testing:


(The water that came out, didn't taste good, trust me)


(Checking my work)
Free Flow:
0.27GPM
20GPH
60 l/hr
With 240 Rad:
0.25GPM
20GPH
60 l/hr



XSPC RS240 Rad
XSPC RS240 Radiator:

Specs:
http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com/XSPC-RS240-Radiator-Review.html


The stock radiator on the unit has a total of 11 water tubes. These tubes are aluminum and the fins are very tightly packed 21-22FPI and they're also aluminum. The aluminum radiator is very very light and doesn't provide a very good thermal conductivity. Aluminum provides ~205w/mk while the XSPC radiator which has brass tubes and copper fins has a thermal conductivity of 109 and 401w/mk. Which is drastically higher.
The XSPC unit has 11 tubes as well. The major difference between the two is this radiator is much thicker, the tubes are larger, meaning less pressure drop, and the FPI is around 13FPI. This should translate into a near the same to higher amount of heat transfer between the two radiators. Most certainly the big difference will be that the water will spend more time in the radiator, spread out between 240mm and have more of a chance to get back to the ambient temp from the fans blowing across the radiator.



The Mod:
The idea is to cut the loop from the 120 radiator and attach the 240 radiator to the unit. Now the H50 pump I've read is SUPER weak! Like .5PSI max and .24GPM. But we'll see how it performs with my H50 when I get it. I'm hoping the Performer has a stronger pump in order to properly cool either the GPU or CPU whatever I attach the unit to. Now this link here has the information regarding pressure drop and flow through the RS240 radiator which I believe is quite promising how low the pressure drop is. If I could get just .5GPM through that radiator I could easily cool whatever I use. Here's what I plan to do once I get the H50 and 2.0 performer.
I'm first going to cut the tubes, then I'll run the loop in a bucket and at 12V to get specs on the flow rate for each pump. This will give me a good idea of the maximum volume the pump can pump. Then, after that I will attach a long length of tubing in order to determine head pressure at specific flow rates. This will give me a good indication of how much power the two pumps really have. I've already researched the Corsair H50 pump and like i said earlier, the pump is weak from what I've heard. I'm hopefully going to get a good rating on the performer 2.0.


Stay tuned to get a good update on my progress! I'm going to have lots of pics of my progress and lots of excel charts on the performance curves on these units. My intent for this thread is to define the limits of these closed loop pumps to maximize cooling potential and provide evidence for others who have considered or are considering attempting to add another larger radiator to these closed loop units.


The RESULTS!!!!!:

Folding GPU3
(810MHz-Core, 1.050V,1100MHz memory)
Before Mod:
Load: 48C
After Mod with 240 Rad installed:
Load: 42C

(890MHz-Core, 1.100V, 1200MHz memory)
Before Mod:
Load: 52C
After Mod with 240 Rad installed:
Load: 46C

Battlefield 3 gameplay:
(920MHz-Core, 1.150V, 2200MHz memory)
Before Mod:
Load: 52C
After Mod with 240 Rad installed:
Load: 43C

Heaven3.0
(920MHz-Core, 1.150V, 2200MHz memory)
Before Mod:
Load: 53C
After Mod with 240 Rad installed:
Load: 44C





Edited by Cakewalk_S - 10/16/12 at 10:16am
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Update:
Specs on the Antec 620 unit: Same as the Asetek unit:
Pump Electrical:
12 VDC
3.1 W

That would be .258amps @ 12v for the 620 pump.

Specs on the H50 pump unit:
Pump Electrical:

12 VDC
2.6 W

That makes this pump only .216amps @ 12v for the H50 pump.

So as we see already, the Antec 620 unit is obviously almost no power, but certainly more power than the crapola H50 unit.
I'm really excited to see how the Antec 620 unit will perform. Looking at the Asetek unit, this dual radiator unit http://www.asetek.com/desktop/cpu-coolers/570lx.html has the exact same pump, so technically this pump should have enough power to be able to use on a nice 240 rad.


Pumps and radiator arrive next week. Will update on progress and testing. I ordered 2 more Corsair SP120 fans this morning since they're 20% off. I expect a really decent temp drop on my GTX580 if I get a dual rad on it. I expect around a 10C temperature difference.

Edit:
Looking for around the same wattage pumps on FCPU, http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2125/ex-pmp-09/#blank. The Antec 620 is looking soo promising!
Edited by Cakewalk_S - 10/5/12 at 6:27am
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subbed. I'm a little excited about the performer 2.0 biggrin.gif
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Ordered my water cooling fittings this morning. Also picked up some more corsair sp120 fans so I should have a wonderful push-pull on the 240 rad once I get everything built.

I'm also hopefully going to get my multimeter out for some accurate wattage readings under no load and full load on the pump. This should give a good reading on the strength of the pumps.

If this turns out to be an extremely successful mod I will more than likely have a full guide with picture by picture detail and ballpark price estimates of the cost of the mod and the expected performance difference between a standard radiator and a 240xspc rad.
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Oooh yes. I have a Water 2.0 Performer too and I am VERY interested in how this turns out.
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Update 1: Corsair H50 Pump
Works with 240 rad!
Downside: only gets around ~0.15GPM. Basically the pump has very little to no pressure and the flow rate is unbelievably terrible....I mean its SOO bad. I can't believe its even considered a closed loop cooling unit. So basically its down to the Thermaltake unit, which is what I wanted to use all along. The Corsair H50 unit can pump through a 240 radiator but I don't think it would provide any cooling performance increase because of the reduced flow.

So, Corsair = 0/1


Edit: Tonight I hope to get a pressure test along with flow rate before and after 240 rad on the H50 pump.
Thermaltake unit is still not here yet. That will come later this week. Then weekend is hopefully time for full install of Mod on GTX580 direct die for before/after results between a stock Antec 620 unit and the Thermaltake performer with 240 rad.
This is also a spec chart from apparently a H50 pump unit:

Apparently through a RX240 it gets around .21GPM, will fully hookup pump tonight and do a similar test.
Edited by Cakewalk_S - 10/8/12 at 7:02am
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OP updated with pictures!
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Update on the Thermaltake 2.0 performer:
Open flow rate:
0.27GPM
16.2GPH
61l/hr


240 rad flow rate:
0.25GPM
15GPH
56.7l/hr

This is gonna work! Barbs arrive tomorrow! Will hookup to the 240 rad and begin leak testing!

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Sounds interesting. I cut the hose on my pro and added a 2nd gpu block. im getting 50c and 50c now with corsair sp120 quiet edition on there running 3dmark11 performance run highest temps recorded in gpu-z. I wanted to use the oem fans to do a push pull on my thermaltake water 2.0 extreme on the top cooling my cpu.
I used 2 swiftech hd6900-hs heatsinks and a swiftech universal gpu block on the modified unit. I had to heavily modify one of the heatsinks to fit the(gpu)block/pump and then more for the chmodlabs retention bracket. I also used some koolance quick disconnects on the pump to make filling the gpu block easy. I just added distilled water to the oem fluid as I only added a block not a rad.

I also picked up some asetek units on ebay. Asetek has a store on there and they are selling a cpu -gpu kit with a 120x49mm rad. the same as the thermaltake pro. Im planning on doing a dual rad possibly when the 2nd unit comes in as the first two got dammaged in shipping.

I found mx-4 to do a great job on helping get temps down as well as the corsair fans and i have the quiet edition.

Here is a photo of the finished product before the fan upgrade.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunset1sunset1/8001784090/in/photostream


There are other photos of the asetek units that got damaged in shipping and a few of the mod photos.

I had purchased sivercoil, antibacterial /anti corosion drops, a swiftech mini res, and a bunch of 1/4 and 1/2 fittings as this was my fist attempt at watercooling other than installing the extreme kit. Finally i just kept it as simple as possible. And i didnt use any parts but the quick disconects. I wanted to keep as much of the performace as i could cooling two video cards.

Now if i could only find some oem straight barbs to put on the gpu pump

Im definitely subbed. Great Idea!!!
Sunset1

Edit Here is a link to the units i got on ebay for 69.99 (someone posted the link after i put up my photos. )
note both blocks have pumps. :>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asetek-760GC-Combo-Liquid-Cooler-for-NVIDIA-GTX-470-480-570-580-/280965116990?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item416ad3743e

The shipping issue has been resolved and they have updated their shipping methods for these oem products on ebay.
After i showed them my photos they gave me the dammaged units and shipped out new ones the day i left a message on ebay.
Awesome support!! (dont expect them to make this mistake again ;>)
Edited by sunset1 - 10/10/12 at 11:49am
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samsung T260 25" ms gamer  Seasonic 750x gold Coolermaster Haf 22 Modified 
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Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
wd black 1 terra wd black 1 terra corsair 256gig ssd external usb3 wd 3 terra 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingOS
blu-ray burner Thermaltake water 2.0 Extreme (cpu) Thermaltake water 2.0 pro 2gpu 1clc with corsai... windows7 home pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung T260 25" ms gamer  Seasonic 750x gold Coolermaster Haf 22 Modified 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech MX-518 Duh this is nonsence. belkin onboard but will install sb titanium logitech 5.1 thx 
CPUMotherboardGraphics
AMD K15 FM2A85X Extreme6 AMD Radeon HD 7660D + 6670 Dual Graphics 
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AMD FX-8120 SABERTOOTH 990FX AMD Radeon HD 6950 AMD Radeon HD 6950 
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Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 Mushkin 2133 
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wd black 1 terra wd black 1 terra corsair 256gig ssd external usb3 wd 3 terra 
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blu-ray burner Thermaltake water 2.0 Extreme (cpu) Thermaltake water 2.0 pro 2gpu 1clc with corsai... windows7 home pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung T260 25" ms gamer  Seasonic 750x gold Coolermaster Haf 22 Modified 
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