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Having a macbook the intel core 2 duo and 2gb of ram and a nvidia 9400m I can say they can't get anything else slower lol

They will find a way to market it as genius and next gen and charge an arm and a leg.
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Originally Posted by Sylon View Post

Performance per watt, I'm tired of hearing this. It doesn't matter as much for desktop/laptop chips, I mean yes it does to a certain extent but only when the raw performance is actually there.

Desktops themselves are a pretty marginal part of Apple's business at this point.
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Originally Posted by Sylon View Post

Add more cores...you'd need the software to play nice with that too, more time coding. Does anyone honestly expect apple to sit there and recode everything to work with ARM?

Much of the software you mentioned can already take advantage of a huge number of cores.

As for recoding everything to work with ARM...what do you think they did when they transitioned to x86? Things would go more smoothly now.
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Originally Posted by Aparition View Post

If apple moves away from "performance" that will spell disaster for my professional video and photography friends. Try as I might I could never get them away from Apple and if Apple goes for different (less performance) it will hurt my friends lively hood frown.gif
Just a pain because they soley use laptops for mobility reasons.

Even if the desktop segment moved toward in-house Apple ARM designs (and I don't expect this for a while), these kinds of tasks would be the least impacted, or possibly even improved.
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That is reassuring thanks.
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Does anyone honestly expect apple to sit there and recode everything to work with ARM?

Do you not remember PowerPC? poke.gif

And most of the big name programs used on Macs can already take advantage of all of the cores. Unlike much of their Windows counterparts ( Adobe suite, for instance ).
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Sounds stupid. Macbooks only got popular once they had intel cpus.
And they already are crazy expensive. How much can a more expensive CPU affect the price?
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Maybe they are getting into the x86 processor game themselves. They just did it with ARM, and their new iPhone.

It's not hard to imagine them aggressively chasing IGP performance like in their A series SOCs. Maybe there're not happy with Intel just turning die shrinks into silicon savings instead of pushing of for higher transistor counts in the GPU area. The ultimate goal being a top to bottom product line up with "retina" displays without needing a dedicated GPU (Removing the two biggest BOM chips).

It's not like there're lacking resources.

No they made a few minor tweaks they didn't create an entire architecture. They don't have the engineers nor production ability to actually do that in house.
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we could finally be on the path to deprecating x86.

why does the concept of all compatibility destroyed make you happy?
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Originally Posted by Sapientia View Post

People seem to forget this. Intel and Apple have a very strong relationship.
No, it's not that strong.

Why do you think Intel is pouring so much into Ultrabooks?


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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

ARM makes incomparably more sense than an AMD APU.
Apple already designs their own ARM chips. The next logical move is to migrate their entire product line to in-house CPUs.
Not going to happen.
Also, if survival isn't a reason to go "all out" nothing is.
Concur.
I'm highly doubtful of this.
No, it's not. Moving to AMD APUs would require some work in optimizing the OS, drivers, and hardware but it's not that muchwork. Besides, there had been rumors that Llano was Apple's first choice for MBA but AMD could not deliever the necessary volume.

Change ISA is massive amount of work..... Apple would have to get all their major 3rd party ready. Emulation is not reasonable solution considering that the fastest ARM processor is still significantly slower than even an ULV Intel CPU.

Speaking of which, ARM performance is not good enough yet for MBP.... not even close.
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In performance per watt they do, in the biggest segments Apple caters to.
ARM is an ISA, not a physical architecture, there is a lot of potential for it to scale. Maybe not to the same performance segments as certain x86 architectures, but plenty enough to cover pretty much all of the mobile market.
Also, Apple is about the search for more money, and performance is only one small factor in that. More vertical integration could do wonders for their bottom line.
As for rendering/encoding, these things are so easily parallelizable that they are exactly the kind of tasks that would probably do well with an ass load of ARM cores.
...and Apple already uses ARM where performance per watt is most critical.

On laptops/desktops, performance itself becomes more important that just perf/w.

Apple will go to ARM as their only ISA... but not anytime soon. ARM performance needs to scale up more first.
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Originally Posted by wizardskill View Post

we could finally be on the path to deprecating x86.

why does the concept of all compatibility destroyed make you happy?
You prefer that companies license x86 from Intel forever?
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You prefer that companies license x86 from Intel forever?

1) No companies licences x86 from Intel. AMD, Intel, and Via have cross-licenses that allow them (and them alone) to develop x86 processors. However, there are some emulation-based approches to x86 which may bypass some of these licenses.

2) Companies have to licence ISAs from someone anywys. (i.e. ARM from ARM Holdings, MIPS from MIPS Technologies)
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