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Rofl. Is this thread about the 99% of the users or is it about somebody looking to go quad SLI/CFX? Which would make it directly applicable to this 1%.

Z77 is more than capable of beating X79 in games even with 4 way cfx/sli and its "inferior" plx rolleyes.gif

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6228/asrock-x79-extreme11-review-pcie-30-x16x16x16x16-and-lsi-8way-sassata/9

Your comment "the z77 platform WILL BE SLOWER due to the PLX chip" is bull &^$ and you sound like a baby who lost his toy

worst case scenario Z77 losses out to x79 in dirt 3 with four way 7970 by 9fps, 228fps vs 237fps thumb.gif
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What seems to be a commonality with you ivy fans is that you have no real experience with the platforms you're recommending against. rolleyes.gif
I've had three 3820s and they all did 5ghz. This is borderline special ed. An overclocked 3820 has no problems feeding quad 7970s max clocked, and beating a host of 3960s and 3930 and everything else in between. Another fact, the z77 platform WILL BE SLOWER due to the PLX chip.

I have an i7 3770K, i7 2600K for our new family PC, i7 3820 at school for engineering applications, and an i7 3930K that I play on when I go to my friends house.

I do have experience on all platforms. I am not saying that the i7 3820 is a bad chip. So calm down. All I am saying is that considering the AMOUNT of money that he would be spending on the mobo, he could be getting a better CPU. And while the 3820 is a good chip, it is still quad core. 3930K is hexcore. You simply can't compare a 3930K against a 3820. It simply doesn't work.

Second I don't know how you are getting 5ghz. I am not allowed to OC the schools PC, but I looked it up on google and supposedly the motherboard will limit the BCLK to 125mhz. If you are getting higher then that, then I will believe you and simply assume that I either misread something or whoever made the review is a fool.

Third, I think you need to be a bit more patient when you read. In my last paragraph I clearly mention that X79 is better for multi GPU. Sooooooo I already know that z77 will be slower in triple SLI or higher compared to X79. smile.gif HOWEVER!!!!!!! It will only be by like 5% or something like that. The PLX chip is actually designed to maintain high performance in multi GPU configurations. If it didn't do it's job within a very small percent tolerance compared to a chip that could support more PCI-e lanes, I doubt we would be using PLX chips on mobos at all.

Lastly, please show me how a 3820 will feed quad 7970s when a 3930K or higher can't. Unless there is a game that will be negatively effected by 6 cores, I don't see how that is possible. In fact the only thing that is border line special ed is how someone can recommend a 400+ dollar board for a 300- dollar CPU.
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Z77 is more than capable of beating X79 in games even with 4 way cfx/sli and its "inferior" plx rolleyes.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6228/asrock-x79-extreme11-review-pcie-30-x16x16x16x16-and-lsi-8way-sassata/9
Your comment "the z77 platform WILL BE SLOWER due to the PLX chip" is bull &^$ and you sound like a baby who lost his toy
worst case scenario Z77 losses out to x79 in dirt 3 with four way 7970 by 9fps, 228fps vs 237fps thumb.gif

I WILL respect your athoritah thumb.gif
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Z77 is more than capable of beating X79 in games even with 4 way cfx/sli and its "inferior" plx rolleyes.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6228/asrock-x79-extreme11-review-pcie-30-x16x16x16x16-and-lsi-8way-sassata/9
Your comment "the z77 platform WILL BE SLOWER due to the PLX chip" is bull &^$ and you sound like a baby who lost his toy
worst case scenario Z77 losses out to x79 in dirt 3 with four way 7970 by 9fps, 228fps vs 237fps thumb.gif

You seem to know more than the reviewer you're quoting huh?
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If your going to invest in 3-4 way sli / cfx then you would be daft not to buy x79 for that reason

You were on the right track?
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Correct. I should add a rider on the graph I produced. When a new platform is out, I get locked in to the drivers when it was released. For Ivy Bridge, that was 12.3 for Catalyst. Things may be different in 12.9, but I doubt they would have changed much for Dirt3. If anything newer games would work better! smile.gif
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Borlandi is from anandtech?

Yes. I'm the motherboard reviewer. But I'm also on the OCN HWBot overclocking team, and a sub-admin of TeamGB Overclockers.
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For four-way, PLX on Z77 is the wrong way to do it.
X79?

Ideally, yes.
Here's some more data. Again, Dirt3, 2560x1440, All the special stuff turned on, 7970s, 12.3 drivers, CPUs at stock with 16 GB DDR3-2400 9-11-11(or as close to it).
The boards used:
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - X79, i7-3960X. x16/x16/x8 and x16/x8/x8/x8, has MultiCore Enhancement
ASUS Rampage IV Formula - X79, i7-3960X. x16/x16/x8 and x16/x8/x8/x8, has MultiCore Enhancement
ASRock X79 Extreme11 - X79, i7-3960X, x16/x16/x16 and x16/x16/x16/x16 (uses two PLX 8747 chips to go x16/x16/x16/x16, but those chips cause 2-4% drop on perf each) in PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 2.0, no MCE
ASUS P8Z77-V Premium, Z77, i7-3770K, x16/x8/x8, x8/x8/x8/x8 all PCIe 3.0, uses a single PLX 8747 chip, has MultiCore Enhancement
ASRock Z77 Extreme9, i7-3770K, x16/x8/x8, x8/x8/x8/x8 all PCIe 3.0, uses a single PLX 8747 chip, no MCE
Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3, i7-3770K, x16/x8/x8, x8/x8/x8/x8 all PCIe 3.0, uses a single PLX 8747 chip, MCE-Plus
EVGA Z77 FTW, i7-3770K, x16/x16/x8, x16/x8/x8/x8 all PCIe 3.0, uses a single PLX 8747 chip (routed differently), no MCE
Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H, x8/x4/x4 all PCIe 3.0, no PLX, MCE
Biostar TZ77XE4, x8/x8/x4, last card is PCIe 2.0 x4 as it is routed through the chipset, no PLX, no MCE
ASRock Z77 Extreme6, x8/x8/x4, last card is PCIe 2.0 x4 as it is routed through the chipset, no PLX, no MCE
(MCE is Multicore Enhancement - read about it http://www.anandtech.com/show/6214/multicore-enhancement-the-debate-about-free-mhz)
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For Dirt3, X79 wins out. After that, you want PCIe 3.0 with a PLX, and finally the bottom two have that x4 PCIe 2.0 setup.
For Metro 2033:
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It doesn't matter that much, we're all GPU bound. But picking the right board would give 5 FPS difference if you care about it. In this case, X79 or high end Z77 is still the way to go.
Out of my Z77 and X79 reviews, the ASUS X79 ROG boards, and the Gigabyte Sniper/UD5H Z77 boards are the ones I gave awards. I don't give awards out like some websites do with free nachos. Awards my end have to be earned, no-one gets a free ride where I'm concerned, and the manufacturers know that.
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Lastly, please show me how a 3820 will feed quad 7970s when a 3930K or higher can't. Unless there is a game that will be negatively effected by 6 cores, I don't see how that is possible. In fact the only thing that is border line special ed is how someone can recommend a 400+ dollar board for a 300- dollar CPU.


I was running a 3820 last month. I held this record until Vega built his system and bested my 221.4 with some silly high clocked Lightnings.

Here's that run with a 3820 at 5.1ghz iirc. I forget all the clock settings but they were around 1315/1760 iirc.

LL


1 tsm106 i7 3930 HD 7970 Quadfire 228.0 5744 10/5/12 Post 998
2 Callsign_Vega i7 3960 HD 7970 Quadfire 224.7 5660
3 KaRLiToS i7 3930 HD 7970 Quadfire 217.8 5486
4 drjon i7 3930 HD 7970 Quadfire 215.2 5421
5 UNOE i7 3930 HD 7970 Quadfire 197.8 4981
6 CheeseMaster i7 3960 GTX 690 Sli 196.4 4948
7 n99127 i7 3770 GTX 690 Sli 193.0 4861
8 sk3tch i7 3960 GTX 680 Quad Sli 182.9 4607
9 Mhill2029 i7 3930 GTX 680 Quad Sli 177.4 4470
10 m3t4lh34d i7 3930 GTX 680 Quad Sli 177.4 4468


Read from here.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1235557/official-top-30-heaven-benchmark-3-0-scores/480_40#post_17319910



**You know, I could probably swap that old 3820 back into it's former home and beat the next closest hexacore if I really wanted to.


***I just re-read what you wrote and I don't think you understand what I'm saying. If you haven't figured it out by the charts and numbers, a 3820 clocked the same has no problem feeding quadfire 7970s. I'm pretty much repeating what I wrote in previous posts.
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For high end, Gigabyte has my vote. ASUS may deny valid warranties.
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I have an i7 3770K, i7 2600K for our new family PC, i7 3820 at school for engineering applications, and an i7 3930K that I play on when I go to my friends house.
I do have experience on all platforms. I am not saying that the i7 3820 is a bad chip. So calm down. All I am saying is that considering the AMOUNT of money that he would be spending on the mobo, he could be getting a better CPU. And while the 3820 is a good chip, it is still quad core. 3930K is hexcore. You simply can't compare a 3930K against a 3820. It simply doesn't work.
Second I don't know how you are getting 5ghz. I am not allowed to OC the schools PC, but I looked it up on google and supposedly the motherboard will limit the BCLK to 125mhz. If you are getting higher then that, then I will believe you and simply assume that I either misread something or whoever made the review is a fool.
Third, I think you need to be a bit more patient when you read. In my last paragraph I clearly mention that X79 is better for multi GPU. Sooooooo I already know that z77 will be slower in triple SLI or higher compared to X79. smile.gif HOWEVER!!!!!!! It will only be by like 5% or something like that. The PLX chip is actually designed to maintain high performance in multi GPU configurations. If it didn't do it's job within a very small percent tolerance compared to a chip that could support more PCI-e lanes, I doubt we would be using PLX chips on mobos at all.
Lastly, please show me how a 3820 will feed quad 7970s when a 3930K or higher can't. Unless there is a game that will be negatively effected by 6 cores, I don't see how that is possible. In fact the only thing that is border line special ed is how someone can recommend a 400+ dollar board for a 300- dollar CPU.

I'd like to address the parts in bold. First, the BLCK runs much the same as any SB or SB-E with only the possibility of 3 to 5 mhz gains. However, the 3820 really likes the boot strap ratios while the hex-core chips don't seem to OC as well with them. Using 125 boot strap with 40x multi = 5ghz. Both of my chips only needed 1.425v to do that on an H100.

Second, the Z77-UP7 is ALSO a $400 board, and the i7-3770k is more expensive than the i7-3820, so if his budget is in question the 3820 might be a better path and if he feels he needs the 3930k later he can save up and get it upgraded. Thats just my thought on the matter of course, I like both setups. People get almost as angry with Z77 vs X79 as they do with AMD vs Intel tongue.gif
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So basically its coming down to these few points

As far as tri and quad the two boards are neck and neck.

The z77 has more features than the x79 however the 3770k tim issues im not looking forward to.

I could opt for the hexa core as well.

I multi task alot and speed is key for me so the hexa core might be what I need.

My only gripe is the up7 would be a better contructed board and the asus horror rma stories.

Wish gigabyte would make a x79 up7 varient !



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i just had to make the same choice. i run 3 gtx580's in tri sli and a 2600k chip. i opted for the z77 gigabyte up7 board. granted the 3930k is a strong chip and x79 sounds nice, i know my chip clocks very well, my setup runs very nicely and i dont feel i need a 6 core chip. honestly this rig runs fine with all 3 cards and a 2600k in bf3 and alot of other games. it multi tasks good and runs everyday solid. i just wanted a little more performance in a motherboard then my evga p67 FTW is giving me. so i opted for a board more focused on overclocking and gaming ect.

x79 sounds good but the prices and some other things strayed me away. seems there is posts about almost every x79 board out having issues at one point or another. reported bios issues ect.

unless you want the highest scores possible in benchmarks and do folding, huge file processing ect i dont see the need for x79.
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Its not about the benchmarks ive got 16gb ram and I run out im on a p67 setup like you with gtx 580s and a maximus iv extreme.

Im looking at either 32 max on z77 or go for 64gb on x79.

im leaning towards the 3930k and 64gb ram.

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