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Apple does do a lot of great things for the industry — they've been the trendsetter. They were one of the first to start putting in drives that parked their heads during a fall (IBM was first, Apple was second it seems), for example. We've seen a tremendous shift in PC designs trying to clone the MacBook aesthetic and thinness. Right now, the trend they're pushing is higher pixel density.

Do we need that? I think it's arguable. It's nice, but as a gamer I don't see it outweighing the performance hit. The 1GB vs 2GB or 2GB vs 3GB VRAM arguments will become moot, as more VRAM will unarguably become more necessary. I don't think the GPU industry is quite ready for it — not until GDDR6 brings higher density memory. I personally would like to see 120Hz before higher pixel density, but I do think that higher pixel density is important.

I personally see these Apple products as beta tests. Is the hardware really ready for more pixels? I don't think so. When this stuff eventually makes its way to PCs, hardware will be better capable of handling it. I really, really hope Windows gets the DPI issue worked out on Windows 8, though.
Edited by Homeles - 10/8/12 at 12:33pm
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Since its Thanksgiving here in Canada I had the chance to visit with family. My one cousin is quite the computer wizard who works at the university and has some insight. Anyways long story short (I do not beleive this)...
Cousin says that Haswell for the desktop variant 1150 will come in 4 & 6 core models 4 is more for the energy efficient/ portable models. When I asked how he knew this, he started drafing up sketches of die size and what can fit. In his calculation he said that 6 core will fit on 1150. In the calculation he also showed that 2011 will hold 8 cores no problem, and above that he says that this is a hot topic at work.

I found this interesting. Does anyone else agree? maybe this is why intel is not giving out much info.....another step ahead of AMD thumb.gif
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Might want to take a look at this article. Many of the points made are still applicable.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5174/why-ivy-bridge-is-still-quad-core

The die can definitely hold six cores, but it won't.
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Since its Thanksgiving here in Canada I had the chance to visit with family. My one cousin is quite the computer wizard who works at the university and has some insight. Anyways long story short (I do not beleive this)...
Cousin says that Haswell for the desktop variant 1150 will come in 4 & 6 core models 4 is more for the energy efficient/ portable models. When I asked how he knew this, he started drafing up sketches of die size and what can fit. In his calculation he said that 6 core will fit on 1150. In the calculation he also showed that 2011 will hold 8 cores no problem, and above that he says that this is a hot topic at work.

I found this interesting. Does anyone else agree? maybe this is why intel is not giving out much info.....another step ahead of AMD thumb.gif

Intel's concentrating on power efficiency, only servers and workstations really need core counts so they keep the 6, 8, etc cores to that socket.
    
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Since its Thanksgiving here in Canada I had the chance to visit with family. My one cousin is quite the computer wizard who works at the university and has some insight. Anyways long story short (I do not beleive this)...
Cousin says that Haswell for the desktop variant 1150 will come in 4 & 6 core models 4 is more for the energy efficient/ portable models. When I asked how he knew this, he started drafing up sketches of die size and what can fit. In his calculation he said that 6 core will fit on 1150. In the calculation he also showed that 2011 will hold 8 cores no problem, and above that he says that this is a hot topic at work.
I found this interesting. Does anyone else agree? maybe this is why intel is not giving out much info.....another step ahead of AMD thumb.gif
I wish. I don't see it happening though, not until they start selling HT disabled quad cores at the 125-150 range. They're using the extra die area for graphics. Maybe with skylake if AMD catches up enough that their 8 core chips outperform intel 4 core chips.
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i wonder we will see a 15 percent difference in performance between ivy and haswell process
 
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Core counts I could care less, IPC wise 5% would be plenty if the Chips don't run as hot as Ivy, but I do want 20/24X PCIE3.0 lanes from the CPU for better SLI/CLX support(to support Maxwell SLI /Volcanic Island CrossfireX in the future). 20 Lane was already available for the Ivy Xeon models so I think 20/24 for Haswell shouldn't be too much to ask.
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Core counts I could care less, IPC wise 5% would be plenty if the Chips don't run as hot as Ivy, but I do want 20/24X PCIE3.0 lanes from the CPU for better SLI/CLX support(to support Maxwell SLI /Volcanic Island CrossfireX in the future). 20 Lane was already available for the Ivy Xeon models so I think 20/24 for Haswell shouldn't be too much to ask.

That would be neat if they implant 24x pcie 3.0 lanes and Im hoping maxwell is going to be a beast
 
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i like my ultrabook.
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Can't wait to get an ultrabook with haswell in it. biggrin.gif
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