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can one "make" a custom closed loop?

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not talking about closed loop kits asetek and what not.

can one make a closed loop using a radiator and pump/block of choice?

how would one do this?

I talked to my friend about it and he said to submerge the radiator, hoses, and waterblock into water when setting it up. will this work?
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Closed loops have slightly positive water pressure so ideally you'd want a machine to pressurise the water and seal the loop. You'd also need very tough tubing. Underwater is probably the next best thing. Very cool idea.

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With enough effort (and money) it could be done.
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With enough effort (and money) it could be done.

this scared me a bit. how much we talking about?
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well you need pump rad block and barbs and fans

if you loop it all together and use a T line on one section you could fill it through that, then you have a way of draining or refilling or releasing air. but a closed loop is supposed to be more conveinent in the sence of less parts so more room to work with.

i would worry with a wcooling loop in my rig but the 2 clc i have im happy with, i wish they could make custom ones for motherboards.
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post #6 of 28
Not sure what the advantage would be... if you wanted to make a loop and forget about maintaining it you could do that with a custom loop just as easy. And better yet, should something go wrong it would be much easier to fix than purposed "closed loop". Also don't forget that a loop being "closed" doesn't make it immune to leaks. Look at all the Corsair and Antec leak threads.

My advice is if you are going to get into water cooling go big or go big air. Now I don't mean you need 2 420s and 2 360s. Focus your build around quality or performance per $. It's a lot cheaper to buy quality components over the lesser quality items than to replace an entire PC.

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this scared me a bit. how much we talking about?

Take the cost of the la normal liquid loop that you would be willing to use. Now double/triple it. Perhaps more if you want it to be pretty.
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not talking about closed loop kits asetek and what not.
can one make a closed loop using a radiator and pump/block of choice?
how would one do this?
I talked to my friend about it and he said to submerge the radiator, hoses, and waterblock into water when setting it up. will this work?

I have an H50 pump running a closed loop with a 280Rad. I will tell you it wasn't all fun and kittens bleeding the loop either. You can do one of three things here.

1. Get a radiator that has a fillport cap on it so you can bleed the loop from there.

2. Grab yourself a "T" connection so you will be able to fill and bleed the loop from the "T" junction.

3. Use this third method if you want your loop up quicker, I used this method with my setup and it worked flawlessly.
Alternate T connection method (Click to show)
"Using the same basic methodology as the above but quicker if done correctly"

Step 1: Fill a container with Distilled water and dunk your radiator into it and shake and turn etc, until you get all the air out of the rad.

Step 2: Using the T connection, hook both line in and out of your pump to the T and fill the loop as best you can and then flick the pump on. make sure your T connection is above the pump so the air works it's way up easier and shake the pump violently until you get all the air out of the pump. You may have to flick the pump on and off a lot to help shake loose any stubborn pockets of air.

Step 3: Carefully disconnect one of your T lines and connect it to your radiator (Please Note that one of your lines has to be cut the right size to reach your radiator mounting point before you do this method as you don't want to have a ton of extra air added to your loop if you add a longer section of tubing after bleeding the pump. (Alternatively follow the bolded directions in step 4 for adding a longer section after bleeding the pump)

Step 4: Proceed to dunk your final piece of tubing in the distilled water as to get rid of air pockets in the tubing and then carefully connect your tubing to the radiator and then to the T line. (Make sure to connect the radiator end of tubing under the water so no air gets back in the tubing.)

Step 5: Proceed to turn on the pump while again holding or supporting the T connection higher than the rest of your loop to bleed any additional pockets out(which by this point should only be fizz if done correctly)

Step 6: Seal the last opening of the "T" connection with a cap. (Alternatively if done correctly you can add a silver kill coil inside the "T" Connection for added protection)

If done correctly you will have reduced your bleeding time and chance of having additional pockets of air trapped in your loop. This method is also much quicker if done correctly and in the right sequence.

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Closed loop systems are not 100% filled with liquid, there has to be some space in the loop to allow for the expansion of the liquid when it heats up.
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The only inherent difference between a closed loop and a standard one is that the former isn't designed to be opened.

I'm not sure what submerging the loop while assembling is relevant. I have custom loops that are completely full (there is no air in the loop, even in the res) and most closed loops are not entirely full.

Also, water isn't compressible.
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AMD FX-8150 @ 4.52GHz (210x21.5), 1.45v load GA-970A-UD3 rev 1.0 (F8a BIOS) Radeon 6950 @ 945/1425, 1.2v 4x8GiB G.Skill Ares @ 1680, 9-10-9-28-T2, 1.5v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung F3 1TB 2x Samsung F3 500GB RAID 0 Lapped TRUE + Panflo FBA12G12H1BX Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 
MonitorPowerCase
Dell S2740L (27", 1920x1080, 7ms, IPS) Corsair TX650w Cooler Master HAF 932 
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