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That said, I don't think people should be faulting Apple for defending their rights under the law. As the adage goes "don't hate the player, hate the game."

I don't feel that this particular adage applies to the situation....

To put it bluntly, Apple and other companies, plainly abuse the flaws in our Patent system to secure rights to things you shouldn't be able to Patent. Instead of recognizing the flaws, which are detrimental to the industry and innovation, and taking steps to resolve them, they would rather abuse them for monetary gain, the customers be damned.

It isn't a game when it is rigged.

They should keep doing exactly what they are doing. A corporations number one goal is profit. They are given the boundaries via the laws/regulations put on them. If you want change in the system the rules need to be changed. Until then the corporations should keep on keeping on. That goes for everyone sammy/htc/google/ms/etc
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I believe this is a good move. The patenting of user interactions, and in my opinion software as a whole, is a degenerative to the industry as a whole; it stymies potential innovation and is of no benefit to the consumer.
That said, I don't think people should be faulting Apple for defending their rights under the law. As the adage goes "don't hate the player, hate the game."

Yeah but that saying is far too cliche. Not to mention it isn't like they took advantage of the problem a couple times, they blatantly abused a flaw rather then try to fix it. They are just as much to blame.

OT : Looks like things are starting to turn around. Glad to see the patent office is actually investigating these.
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I mean the goal of any business is to generate maximum profit. There is no real responsibility of private institutions to be proactive in correcting government inadequacies. If anything it's the consumer's right, and obligation, to purchase goods and services from agreeable corporations. No business really has the best interest of the customer in mind, the only real reason to foster consumer goodwill is that it increases brand loyalty and is beneficial to the bottom line of the corporation in the long run.
Of cousre this is as purely pragmatic approach towards business.
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They should keep doing exactly what they are doing. A corporations number one goal is profit. They are given the boundaries via the laws/regulations put on them. If you want change in the system the rules need to be changed. Until then the corporations should keep on keeping on. That goes for everyone sammy/htc/google/ms/etc

I am well aware of how a Corporation works, trust me on that. Now I can see where this thread is going at this point, so I am just going to say this....

The main reason our country, the United States of America, is in the shape it is, is completely and utterly due to what you guys have just said. Large Corporations being greedy and abusing Government regulations, or in some cases, deregulation. Had major Corporations followed even the slightest sense of morality, or we had better regulation, we would not have gone through what we have gone through. Period.

Greed destroys. It is one thing to want to be profitable and successful, it is something entirely different to be greedy. Especially greedy to the point you are willing to game the system.
    
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I mean the goal of any business is to generate maximum profit. There is no real responsibility of private institutions to be proactive in correcting government inadequacies. If anything it's the consumer's right, and obligation, to purchase goods and services from agreeable corporations. No business really has the best interest of the customer in mind, the only real reason to foster consumer goodwill is that it increases brand loyalty and is beneficial to the bottom line of the corporation in the long run.
Of cousre this is as purely pragmatic approach towards business.

Towards business? Perhaps. Towards economy? Definitely not. Apple's patent domineering and lawsuits can be seen as an attempt to remove competition from the market so they can maintain their market power (i.e. like a monopoly). It's inefficient and therefore undesirable from a pragmatic view. Anyway, good to hear it. I never understood how such non-specific concepts could be patented.
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I am well aware of how a Corporation works, trust me on that. Now I can see where this thread is going at this point, so I am just going to say this....
The main reason our country, the United States of America, is in the shape it is, is completely and utterly due to what you guys have just said. Large Corporations being greedy and abusing Government regulations, or in some cases, deregulation. Had major Corporations followed even the slightest sense of morality, or we had better regulation, we would not have gone through what we have gone through. Period.
Greed destroys. It is one thing to want to be profitable and successful, it is something entirely different to be greedy. Especially greedy to the point you are willing to game the system.

Arguably the American dream is built upon a foundation of avarice and self aggrandizement. On one hand it is easy to point the perfunctory finger at evil big business for destroying the "American Dream," on the other hand the fact that America is a superpower owes no small debt to these multinational conglomerates. I posit that the American government has failed in curtailing the rise of big business.
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Towards business? Perhaps. Towards economy? Definitely not. Apple's patent domineering and lawsuits can be seen as an attempt to remove competition from the market so they can maintain their market power (i.e. like a monopoly). It's inefficient and therefore undesirable from a pragmatic view. Anyway, good to hear it. I never understood how such non-specific concepts could be patented.

Let's not kid ourselves, every business wants a monopoly. Especially in high growth markets such as the smartphone space, capturing a large market share before the players in the market codify is imperative to long term success. It's desirable from the business' perspective, there is of course a distinction between the business and all businesses (the eocnomy).
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The less stupid things apple can use against others the better...... this is great news...
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Boom. That's gotta hurt, when you see your empire made out of dust and smoke dissolve into the void.

Now I'd really love for other companies who've been sued (HTC, Motorola, Google, Samsung, and co) to start seeking for damages. Sir would that be great.
   
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I am well aware of how a Corporation works, trust me on that. Now I can see where this thread is going at this point, so I am just going to say this....
The main reason our country, the United States of America, is in the shape it is, is completely and utterly due to what you guys have just said. Large Corporations being greedy and abusing Government regulations, or in some cases, deregulation. Had major Corporations followed even the slightest sense of morality, or we had better regulation, we would not have gone through what we have gone through. Period.
Greed destroys. It is one thing to want to be profitable and successful, it is something entirely different to be greedy. Especially greedy to the point you are willing to game the system.

Have to agree with you there.
That's why the saying is that greed is the root of all evils.
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I am well aware of how a Corporation works, trust me on that. Now I can see where this thread is going at this point, so I am just going to say this....
The main reason our country, the United States of America, is in the shape it is, is completely and utterly due to what you guys have just said. Large Corporations being greedy and abusing Government regulations, or in some cases, deregulation. Had major Corporations followed even the slightest sense of morality, or we had better regulation, we would not have gone through what we have gone through. Period.
Greed destroys. It is one thing to want to be profitable and successful, it is something entirely different to be greedy. Especially greedy to the point you are willing to game the system.

Maybe so, but lets not pretend that the US patent office authorising ridiculous patents for US companies, or the US justice system ordering ridiculous damages sums in US courts with questionable US jurors has nothing to do with the fact that the US is simply looking after the US.

You can't put it down to pure greed of corporations when the system is made to encourage and justify their actions.

I bet this sudden change of heart would never happen if the US patent office didn't become a global laughing stock in the past few months or so.
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Wutang, I agree with Postaltwinkie. You really should dial down the personal attacks. Its not needed on this forum and I cannot imagine what could have gotten under your skin when another adult expresses their opinion, and you come out guns blazing??
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