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Guys, I disassembled my PC and started, and finally came to the conclusion I don't have the manual precision required to do this with a sharp object (that shhht is REALLY SMALL IRL)

For those who have done it... would dental floss work? Would it mitigate the chance of scratching the PCB, and more importantly, could it cut through the glue?
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Guys, I disassembled my PC and started, and finally came to the conclusion I don't have the manual precision required to do this with a sharp object (that shhht is REALLY SMALL IRL)
For those who have done it... would dental floss work? Would it mitigate the chance of scratching the PCB, and more importantly, could it cut through the glue?

Getting it started with a blade then using a Credit card looks like a good option.
    
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Guys, I disassembled my PC and started, and finally came to the conclusion I don't have the manual precision required to do this with a sharp object (that shhht is REALLY SMALL IRL)
For those who have done it... would dental floss work? Would it mitigate the chance of scratching the PCB, and more importantly, could it cut through the glue?

Could be done...heat it at first, run prime95 for 30 min or so, wait a few minutes and try again.
I'd try getting a thin but not too soft plastic card like in that video. I wouldn't wanna risk cutting the die with the string, not sure if possible though.
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Does anyone know where to get Holt's Black Sealer and that super thin metal card? The metal card must be similar to a Feeler Gauge, link here. Feeler gauges are used on older cars to adjust the valve gap when performing a valve job, I once used a feeler gauge on my 1980 Datsun 200SX. S= Sport & X= 4 wheel disk brakes.
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That pic doesn't prove anything. Other than maybe the viral marketing on the forums from hidden focus group members thats gotten people banned on Hardforum. Stuff like that works.
I will say this, in the threads that I've seen on hardforum a lot of people seem to have had the same less than stellar impression from their experience with ICD. That paste is highly over rated due to the focus group members advertising on the forums.
I see no real reason to use AS5 these days. Its thick, its a pain to clean up, its capacitive, and its not really among the better performers. Skinnee labs testing pretty much says the same thing. Its not a bad option at all though.
According to skinnee labs testing and most other tests for that matter there isn't any more of a difference than a couple of degrees in most pastes and that includes indigo extreme.
I honestly think that differences in prepping, and applications will make far more of a difference with delidding than what paste that you actually use. I think that where indigo does do well is that its more forgiving with poor contact and skinnee labs testing seems to back that up. If there is that large of a difference between indigo and another tim then odds are that means you have poor contact. Correcting that and using a normal paste may actually result in better temps.




kk, maybe that pic doesnt proof anything, so i went to the skinnee lab website to check out
what youre talking about..

they did some testing with AS5 and others,
which resulted in, 72.40C for AS5
Artic Cooling MX-2, 71.46C
and the best of the test, indigo extreme, 70.66C

so yea.. just a few degrees between them, i never said AS5 was the best compound out there,
ive tested myself tho, the difference between using AS5 on the Die, and after that Liquid pro on the Die,
20+C difference between the two..

what i do tell people is, on the Die its important to have a high w/mk tim,
liquid pro has one of the highest w/mk's out there, 82 w/mk..
the compounds were talking about have a w/mk roughly between 2 and 10 w/mk..

about prepping, and applying tim's,
well, one guy tested that too, he put a hair on it, made some nice fingerprints..lol
he only noticed a few degrees difference.. funny right smile.gif

any good compound will do on the IHS, and eventually on the base plate cooler..
on the Die tho, its a different story, the heat dispersion area is so much smaller then the on the IHS,
thats where the high w/mk story comes in again ..lol
solder has a w/mk between 30 and 60w/mk,
like i said before, other compounds between 2 and 10w/mk max,
the winner in this regard is ..liqiud pro 82w/mk smile.gif
Edited by VonDutch - 10/18/12 at 11:50pm
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Guys, I disassembled my PC and started, and finally came to the conclusion I don't have the manual precision required to do this with a sharp object (that shhht is REALLY SMALL IRL)
For those who have done it... would dental floss work? Would it mitigate the chance of scratching the PCB, and more importantly, could it cut through the glue?

havent seen anyone using it yet, but yea, i think it could work,
like ivanlabrie said , run prime 30 min orso, to warm it, maybe it helps,
the black glue isnt very hard..I thought it was more rubber like, then real glue.

how about normal yarn,

Spool of all purpose sewing thread, closeup shows texture of 2-ply Z-twist mercerized cotton with polyester core.


i remember my mum using some kind of black yarn, which is very strong..let us know your findings if you try it smile.gif
looks like a 2 man job tho..lol
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I'd like to join your ranks smile.gif
Huge success!
CPU: i5-3570k
on die-TIM: Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: Liquid Ultra
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.9GHz (work in progress)
Temp drops: 22C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2548968
2548968.png

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Does anyone know where to get Holt's Black Sealer and that super thin metal card? The metal card must be similar to a Feeler Gauge, link here. Feeler gauges are used on older cars to adjust the valve gap when performing a valve job, I once used a feeler gauge on my 1980 Datsun 200SX. S= Sport & X= 4 wheel disk brakes.

when i clicked your link, i got another idea,

should be easy to get one of those at a local paint store, might do the trick, its thin, not to flexible ..
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I'd like to join your ranks smile.gif
Huge success!
CPU: i5-3570k
on die-TIM: Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: Liquid Ultra
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.9GHz (work in progress)
Temp drops: 22C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2548968

Gratz, very nice thumb.gif


o, i just noticed, 1.56V vcore? intel says 1.52V vcore max, 1.55V is max. set by others..
wouldnt recommend that for a daily OC ..lol biggrin.gif
1.4V maybe, 1.30-1.35V vcore for daily OC's



we dont know much yet about degradation over longer time,
but better be safe then srry right smile.gif
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when i clicked your link, i got another idea,

should be easy to get one of those at a local paint store, might do the trick, its thin, not to flexible ..

I think the idea behind using those ultra thin metal piece is it might just be the safest way to delid without harming the PCB! Just for the hell of it I pulled my brother's 2001 Pentium 4 1.6GHz CPU out today and this sucker requires (printed on CPU) a Vcore of 1.75V, mind you that's the minumum voltages for this chip! It even has the pins sticking out like AMD's CPU's!
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