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i think the law is very simple with things like this,
when a new bought product doesnt get delivered complete or kaputt,
you can return it, ask for refund, or ask for a replacement product that works or is complete..

Oh of course, this is a very simple matter of it was opened somehow or shipping wasn't dealt properly - if anything it could be CL's fault, rather than the eBay seller.
No with the law I was talking generally, and with other - more serious matters. This is literally nothing to be worried about.
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Originally Posted by chronicfx View Post

Gallium liquifies at 30c so check if there are hot stop overs during your shipping. For instance if your starting in the Netherlands where it's cold and the next stop your cl ultra is sitting in Jamaica overnight before going somewhere cold again. This is like a freeze thaw and would be a nice explanation for the leak. Get your money back anyways but I would bet the guy didn't purposely try to rip you off.

Oh yeah of course- great explanation too btw!
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For whatever it is worth, with the PRO (Or at least the one I bought) I could actully still press the liquid out, even though the "lid" was on ( Resulting in the inside of the "lid" looking shiny ) - So I now have it stored safely away from the children - Any other TIM I used, it was impossible to squeeze it out with the lid on.
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Ultra comes without needle,
pro with needle smile.gif

it prolly got squished somewhere during transport..

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For whatever it is worth, with the PRO (Or at least the one I bought) I could actully still press the liquid out, even though the "lid" was on ( Resulting in the inside of the "lid" looking shiny ) - So I now have it stored safely away from the children - Any other TIM I used, it was impossible to squeeze it out with the lid on.

thats why i was thinking that earlier.....but noone ever listens to me sad-smiley-002.gif
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tongue.gif

k, back to my new fav tv-show ...fringe! ..laters peeps wink.gif
Edited by VonDutch - 1/31/13 at 11:05am
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thats why i was thinking that earlier.....but noone ever listens to me sad-smiley-002.gif

I always listen man! I did see your post thumb.gif
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Has anyone tried trolling Intel btw?
Calling them and recording their answers as to why they put crap thermal paste on the die? tongue.gif

I have. I almost got to the point of screaming at them asking why they put a horrible TIM on it (was taking to the general manager to lol) he was like... but it works fine though... I snap back going then why the heck can't I get past 1.35 vcore on chips without hitting thermal limits of 105C I mean really!

I was a little mad.....
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Good, you now got a 2133mhz kit with *****in' timings tongue.gif
Give maxxmem preview a go, and post your score with 5ghz cpu.
Valgaur has methinks...

Yeah... they don't like me anymore either....

I reeeeeeeally wanna delid today guys.... I want awesome temps so I don't freeze my ass off anymore for this Multi threaded comp with mr kitty cat from ealier (I'm horrible with names) uuuuuuum I_Shot PM me and lets examine your chip.
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I always listen man! I did see your post thumb.gif

lol..i know ..just kidding,
but when i saw Gomi's post, i thought my remark got more plausible wink.gif


whats with you all saying the intel tim is bad?

it isnt that bad you know smile.gif

i had some conversatrions with idontcare over at anandforum about stuff,
then we came to talk about the so called "bad" intel tim....
wait...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VonDutch 
haha, yea, kinda "stole" the avatar :whiste:
hope you dont mind, its a great way to start a conversation with peeps about delidding, many ask about it when they see my avatar biggrin.gif

yes, it makes more sense now, thanks for the quick response too, great..

several members used another tim at first after delid,
i used AS5 because i had to wait for liquid pro to arrive, but already noticed my temps where going up again after about 12-14days.. others reported the same, thats the pump out effect..i get it..

so, the reason the intel tim is so "bad", is
1. the low w/mk
2. the thickness of the tim to bridge the gap?
3. it doesnt pump out because of it composition,(plastic like as you say, or solid pad)

the thicker (layer) the tim, the worse the heat transfer will be, right..

yea, we get the people that want to delid, and visit the [Official] Delidded Ivy Bridge Club, to use liquid pro or ultra, it works the best when used on the die,
i think because of the high w/mk it has, even ic diamond(4.5 W/m-K) cant compete with them,
i wrote coollabs to ask for the w/mk of both,
seems the 82 w/mk for liquid pro used all around is wrong,
liquid pro 32.6 w/mk
liquid ultra 38.4 w/mk
confirmed by coollabs so, maybe you can use it wink.gif

man, really thank you for your help, will read your reply several times, and will think about how to answer the next time it will come up over there,

VonDutch, Fred smile.gif

Hehe, I'm all for re-purposing the pics and whatever else is out there, its all public domain :thumbsup: As as you please, Fred, by all means smile.gif

And, at the risk of belaboring the point, I would like to go back and touch on this one part of your post above:
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Originally Posted by VonDutch 
...so, the reason the intel tim is so "bad", is
1. the low w/mk
2. the thickness of the tim to bridge the gap?

I agree, but you got to use a big disclaimer with your bullet #1 which is that the stock Intel TIM is only "low w/mk" in comparison to the solder used with Sandy Bridge processors, it is not "low w/mk? in comparison to a tier-1 TIM like NT-H1.

In fact, as my tests demonstrated, the thermal conductivity of NT-H1 (as good as it is) is worse than the thermal conductivity of the Intel stock CPU TIM. The Intel stock TIM only looks bad because it has to be so thick by virtue of the gap Intel puts between the IHS and the CPU.

I only belabor this point because it is so easy for people to get confused and start saying things like "the TIM is cheap, why did Intel use a cheap TIM?", when the reality is that the TIM is not cheap, it is better than NT-H1, but it is not as good as solder (and it is cheaper than solder)...so you have to clarify these sorts of comparisons by making sure it is understood what you are comparing the Intel TIM to when you say things like "low" and "cheap" just to avoid misunderstandings.

Also, while I don't regularly lurk in OCN, I have great respect for it on the basis of the few times I have lurked over there. That said, I don't know if this is common knowledge, so my apologies in advance if I am insulting you by stating something everyone knows, but I have it on good authority from Intel employees that Haswell desktop chips will also be TIM and not solder.

theres more, but i think this one is to the point smile.gif
and has a little bit of news in it for the observant reader ...LOL
not gonna delete it tho..
we know by now the "bad" temps ivy's have, is caused by the distance between ihs and die,
not because intel used a "bad' or cheap tim wink.gif

hope this helps ..so stop calling intel pls ..haha..
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Haha very good post! Cheers for the info!
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main reason is not enough proper contact between die and ihs yeah i agree that but i still don't think stock paste is better than NH-1. Every thermal paste has a weak,average and great contact ability so we can't say that intel's tim is better than NH-1 or other performance TIMs. It's very hard to test though i believe every cpu mount pressure on cpu die changes a bit
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lol..i know ..just kidding,
but when i saw Gomi's post, i thought my remark got more plausible wink.gif


whats with you all saying the intel tim is bad?

it isnt that bad you know smile.gif

i had some conversatrions with idontcare over at anandforum about stuff,
then we came to talk about the so called "bad" intel tim....
wait...
theres more, but i think this one is to the point smile.gif
and has a little bit of news in it for the observant reader ...LOL
not gonna delete it tho..
we know by now the "bad" temps ivy's have, is caused by the distance between ihs and die,
not because intel used a "bad' or cheap tim wink.gif

hope this helps ..so stop calling intel pls ..haha..

Von this was a long time ago right after I delidded... should have stated that I guess lol.
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