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justanoldman, do you see the black rectangular thing at the bottom of the PCB that the IHS is on top of? That is rasied up higher than the rest of the PCB, and if your IHS rides up onto it when you clamp it down (like it shows to be in these pics), then that will lift you IHS off of your die enough to mess up your temps.

Try to remount your IHS - hold it steady as you clamp it down - so that it is not on top of the black area at the bottom of the pic.

That's probably your problem.....I hope! smile.gif
Sorry, I'm confused. The picture you have showing in your post is pre delid. If that is pic you mean then Intel made it wrong?

Well, the pic showed the IHS up close to the black rectangle, and if it is on top of it, then it will lift the IHS up. But if those were per-delidded, then I'd guess Intell was very close to on top of it, but not all the way as your before temps were not bad for a lidded chip (and that may be a reason for so little post-delid gain too).

But, I'd check to see how you are doing it when you clamp down your IHS to make sure your IHS is not on top of it. Also check your fourth pic as it shows it on top of it worse.


EDIT: I looked at them all again, and even if Intel did have it on top of the black area before you delidded it, the black glue they use raises the IHS up anyway and it may not have mattered.

But once you do delid and remove the black glue and their pasty TIM that fills in the die to IHS gap, then the black rectangle does matter.

Main thing for you to check is that you mount your IHS so that when you clamp it down that it does not move and ride up onto that part of the PCB as it will lift your IHS off of the die and mess with your temps. And since we don't use the Intel pasty TIM that fills in that gap, then there will be some space and a gap that the CL PRO and/or Ultra will not fill.

Worth checking into anyway. Just make sure the IHS is not on top of the black area of the PCB when you clamp it down.

Hope that helps.
Edited by PCWargamer - 2/2/13 at 8:58pm
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Just thinking about the issue being ihs to die clearance - would it help to use something like plastigauge to measure that clearance? If there is an optimum clearance, then you could sand and measure until you'd reached it.

You crush a strip of it between ihs and die, then disassemble, peel off the strip, and compare its width to a chart that tells from that how thick it is. Would that help?

http://www.plastigaugeusa.com/how.html
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PCWargamer,

Understood.
When I get some more Ultra and replacement cooler, I will make sure the IHS does not slide down and touch the lower black rectangle. I will probably lap the bottom of the IHS again a little to make sure it is sitting flat on the PCB.

My sincere thanks, you (along with the others here) are being extremely helpful.
Where is the +super rep button.smile.gif
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Just thinking about the issue being ihs to die clearance - would it help to use something like plastigauge to measure that clearance? If there is an optimum clearance, then you could sand and measure until you'd reached it.

You crush a strip of it between ihs and die, then disassemble, peel off the strip, and compare its width to a chart that tells from that how thick it is. Would that help?

http://www.plastigaugeusa.com/how.html

IDK, but that is some cool stuff alancsalt! smile.gif
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PCWargamer,

Understood.
When I get some more Ultra and replacement cooler, I will make sure the IHS does not slide down and touch the lower black rectangle. I will probably lap the bottom of the IHS again a little to make sure it is sitting flat on the PCB.

My sincere thanks, you (along with the others here) are being extremely helpful.
Where is the +super rep button.smile.gif

Thanks justanoldman. And you may not need to wait for your new Ultra to arrive to see if this can help. Just take off your HSF and unclamp your IHS - then reclamp it making sure it is not on the black area. You probably will not need to redo your die to IHS TIM if it is Ultra, although you may want to respread it with that nice brush they give you - which may also already still have some Ultra in it (mine always seems to). But you will probably need to redo the IHS to HSF TIM, but you can use whatever you got laying around for that to check this out.

Then redo it all the right way once you have the new TIM! thumb.gif

I'm just kinda anxious to know if this fixes it for ya!!! biggrin.gif
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Thanks justanoldman. And you may not need to wait for your new Ultra to arrive to see if this can help. Just take off your HSF and unclamp your IHS - then reclamp it making sure it is not on the black area. You probably will not need to redo your die to IHS TIM if it is Ultra, although you may want to respread it with that nice brush they give you - which may also already still have some Ultra in it (mine always seems to). But you will probably need to redo the IHS to HSF TIM, but you can use whatever you got laying around for that to check this out.

Then redo it all the right way once you have the new TIM! thumb.gif

I'm just kinda anxious to know if this fixes it for ya!!! biggrin.gif
How is this one?
I didn't know if the IHS could be so high as to be on top of the gold dots at the top.
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Thanks justanoldman. And you may not need to wait for your new Ultra to arrive to see if this can help. Just take off your HSF and unclamp your IHS - then reclamp it making sure it is not on the black area. You probably will not need to redo your die to IHS TIM if it is Ultra, although you may want to respread it with that nice brush they give you - which may also already still have some Ultra in it (mine always seems to). But you will probably need to redo the IHS to HSF TIM, but you can use whatever you got laying around for that to check this out.

Then redo it all the right way once you have the new TIM! thumb.gif

I'm just kinda anxious to know if this fixes it for ya!!! biggrin.gif
How is this one?
I didn't know if the IHS could be so high as to be on top of the gold dots at the top.

Might be OK. I do mine so that it is even, but not on top of, the gold dots - but real real close to them to make sure I am not on the black rectangle.

Try a bit closer to them....

I sure hope this works better for you bud....
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Might be OK. I do mine so that it is even, but not on top of, the gold dots - but real real close to them to make sure I am not on the black rectangle.

Try a bit closer to them....

I sure hope this works better for you bud....
I have this one running and temps look to be about what I had in the beginning (-10c) or so, which is very good because that is best I have done since. Will try again tomorrow.

Also, is there a way to keep the IHS from moving down when you lower the arm to lock it, or will it always move down some so you just start it a little high?
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
4930k Asus Extreme Black Edition Sapphire R9 290x Sapphire R9 290x 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Sapphire R9 290x Sapphire R9 290x Gskil TridentX 2400mhz Samsung 830 256GB 
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Samsung 840 500GB EK Supramacy 4x EK Blocks 6x EK XTX480 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK XT360 Windows 8.1 BenQ 3201 32in 4k IPS Qnix 32in 1440 MVA 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Qnix 32in 1440 MVA Coolermaster Storm Trigger 2x Seasonic 1250watt Case Labs TH10 
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Roccat Kone Creative ZX AKG K7XX 
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Intel i7 3930k @4.4ghz@1.44v Asrock X79 Fataility Champion 3xInno3d GTX 780 with Full Nickel EK Waterblocks Gskill RipjawsX 4x4GB@2400mhz 11-11-11-31 
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2xSamsung 830 256gb Custom H2O - 3x XSPC RX360 with EK Blocks Surround Gaming 3x1440@96hz (X-Star) Cooler Master Trigger Red Caps 
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Seasonic 1250 watt Danger Den Double Wide 21 Roccat Kone+ Creative ZX (Incoming) 
Audio
Roccat Kave 5.1 Headphones 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
4930k Asus Extreme Black Edition Sapphire R9 290x Sapphire R9 290x 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Sapphire R9 290x Sapphire R9 290x Gskil TridentX 2400mhz Samsung 830 256GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung 840 500GB EK Supramacy 4x EK Blocks 6x EK XTX480 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK XT360 Windows 8.1 BenQ 3201 32in 4k IPS Qnix 32in 1440 MVA 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Qnix 32in 1440 MVA Coolermaster Storm Trigger 2x Seasonic 1250watt Case Labs TH10 
MouseAudioAudio
Roccat Kone Creative ZX AKG K7XX 
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