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Does anyone know anything about overclocking the integrated graphics? (see sig rig:video editing build, worse 3570k than i even talked about, it binned worse, looking at 1.26v for 4.4, fail in 20 minutes on 4.5/1.32, msi g41, ares ram 2x2gb 1600 cl9 1.5v which seems okay at 2000 CL11 1t 1.65v, no gpu).

Does it affect cpu or ram stability? im assuming its just like assuming a graphics card - increase gpu voltage/frequency as necessary, make sure it passes 5 minutes of occt error testing and your good - but i dont know what voltages and frequencies to begin with or look at, and how it affects stability. this motherboard actually doesnt have igpu voltage, so... yea im curious what would be the frequency id be looking at, make sure that 5 min occt testing is the way to go, if it affects cpu stability at all.

thanks.

It's funny you should ask. biggrin.gif Yes, I have experimented with overclocking my integrated graphics. I was able to get it working at 1500MHz (X30 multiplier), but not any higher. I was having so much fun overclocking that I set my CPU to 5.0GHz, my 16GB ram to 2400MHz, and my GPU to 1500MHz. I then started Prime 95 blend and Furmark. Not the smartest thing I've probably done. doh.gif My computer suddenly powered off, and I could not power it on anymore despite unplugging it and plugging it back in. It finally powered up again after several minutes.

Thanks, I'll start with x26 and work around there. Why would your computer suddenly turn off? IGPU is not sucking a lot of power, I seriously doubt that somehow you had a psu failure (it'd maybe be different if you were furmarking a discrete gpu but even then I'm sure your psu is more than capable).

I'm assuming the shutdown occured because of instability... is that because the igpu overclock affected cpu stability? I'm guessing you couldnt turn it on again because of bad cmos? What exactly happened? I mean your story isn't exactly confidence inspiring lol. I'm just tuning a little igpu overclock because this is a stock system (its for a friend who knows nothing about computers, I got an nzxt havik on it and doing a minor overclock and off it'll go) but I want to avoid the igpu causing cpu/system instability.
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Per this club:
3770k, posted pics already, hottest to hottest core went from 77c to 58c =-19c at 4.5 using IBT standard, with CLU on the die, AS5 on top of the IHS. MHz gained=300 for actual day to day use. Normal OC I am trying to get stable for 24/7 is 5.0. Did I forget anything?

Crazy max OC, one time shot:
http://valid.canardpc.com/2683687

Looks like you have found yourself a very nice chip indeed! thumb.gif
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Looks like you have found yourself a very nice chip indeed! thumb.gif
Almost as good as yours.smile.gif
Thanks for all the help - I sent you a PM.
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Thanks, I'll start with x26 and work around there. Why would your computer suddenly turn off? IGPU is not sucking a lot of power, I seriously doubt that somehow you had a psu failure (it'd maybe be different if you were furmarking a discrete gpu but even then I'm sure your psu is more than capable).

I'm assuming the shutdown occured because of instability... is that because the igpu overclock affected cpu stability? I'm guessing you couldnt turn it on again because of bad cmos? What exactly happened? I mean your story isn't exactly confidence inspiring lol. I'm just tuning a little igpu overclock because this is a stock system (its for a friend who knows nothing about computers, I got an nzxt havik on it and doing a minor overclock and off it'll go) but I want to avoid the igpu causing cpu/system instability.

HWMON showed my internal GPU was sucking 36Watts!! That's in addition to the 96Watts that I was already pulling through the cores. I wasn't using any descrete graphics card at that time. I'm not sure why my computer shut off. A bunch of little gremlins I guess. It happened two times the following morning on that same profile and I wasn't running furmark that time, just Prime 95. I set my GPU overclock back to 23 and took out two of the DIMMS and never had that problem again. It had to have been some sort of over-voltage, over-current, or thermal protection on the motherboard or power supply for it to shut down and not reset for a specific period of time. I have two CMOS copies on my motherboard, and it still would not power on even after switching to my secondary CMOS, and even though the power light was on.

Hmmm, as I sit here writing this, it dawned on me that the symptoms were very much like not having a CPU in the socket. Makes me wonder if I could have exceeded some current limit on the chip.
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MikeG,
Thanks a lot, very good and detailed answer.
So for max temps while stress testing 5.0 at a CPU-Z voltage of 1.408 you have 70c? Is that correct, and what are your ambient temps?

Yes the temperature on core 1 spiked up to 70c at one point, but I'm not sure when that was. I could have been testing my GPU or loading an application. My average temps for the past 11.5hrs is 56c and AIDA 64 is still running.

When referring to "ambient" temps, are most people talking about the idle temperature of the CPU, the temperature within the case, or the ambient temperature of the room? The temperature of my room at desk level, and on the floor near the intake of my computer is 20.6c (69F) .

Ambient temp = Room temp
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Does anyone know anything about overclocking the integrated graphics? (see sig rig:video editing build, worse 3570k than i even talked about, it binned worse, looking at 1.26v for 4.4, fail in 20 minutes on 4.5/1.32, msi g41, ares ram 2x2gb 1600 cl9 1.5v which seems okay at 2000 CL11 1t 1.65v, no gpu).

Does it affect cpu or ram stability? im assuming its just like assuming a graphics card - increase gpu voltage/frequency as necessary, make sure it passes 5 minutes of occt error testing and your good - but i dont know what voltages and frequencies to begin with or look at, and how it affects stability. this motherboard actually doesnt have igpu voltage, so... yea im curious what would be the frequency id be looking at, make sure that 5 min occt testing is the way to go, if it affects cpu stability at all.

thanks.

I have, using the intel extreme tuning software within windows works well. The iGPU memory is the system memory, so overclocking ram does make a difference for 3d with it.
Got the core up to 1873 in a 3dmark 06 competition. http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2304228_ftw_420_3dmark06_gma_hd_4000_11182_marks
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HWMON showed my internal GPU was sucking 36Watts!! That's in addition to the 96Watts that I was already pulling through the cores. I wasn't using any descrete graphics card at that time. I'm not sure why my computer shut off. A bunch of little gremlins I guess. It happened two times the following morning on that same profile and I wasn't running furmark that time, just Prime 95. I set my GPU overclock back to 23 and took out two of the DIMMS and never had that problem again. It had to have been some sort of over-voltage, over-current, or thermal protection on the motherboard or power supply for it to shut down and not reset for a specific period of time. I have two CMOS copies on my motherboard, and it still would not power on even after switching to my secondary CMOS, and even though the power light was on.

Hmmm, as I sit here writing this, it dawned on me that the symptoms were very much like not having a CPU in the socket. Makes me wonder if I could have exceeded some current limit on the chip.

I had the rig on the kill-a-watt for the bench run above, 3770k using IGP, just the mobo, ssd & 1 ram fan was pulling ~ 230w for 3dmark 06 in the run above.
    
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I'm just tuning a little igpu overclock because this is a stock system (its for a friend who knows nothing about computers, I got an nzxt havik on it and doing a minor overclock and off it'll go) but I want to avoid the igpu causing cpu/system instability.

You should have no trouble with a moderate igpu overclock. I would say 1300 (X26) would be safe if you are doing it for someone who knows nothing about computers. I set my igpu voltage to auto on my motherboard. Oh and the neat thing is that if you set it to auto (at least on my motherboard), the igpu acts as if it is in speedstep turbo mode. When not under heavy load, the voltage and speed is automatically reduced, and it ramps up when you need it.
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I got my hd3000 up to 2000mhz on air...and hd4000 to 1250mhz. Granted I had crappy Samsung sticks and my former ud5h which didn't play nice together. Haven't tried clocking it in Windows though, that should help with clocks.
Bet I can do MUCH better with psc and an MVG (and my Dragon f1 once it gets here)
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Well, thanks for all the feedback, repped. I went into bios, this msi g41 board, i had to overclock gpu using the overclock genie menu (oc genie -> oc genie gpu control or something like that, set gpu to x26). 27 failed occt error test 1080p after like 1 minute, but 26 seemed just fine. There's no voltage control on this board. I just failed in 30 minutes of cpu:occt at 4.4ghz @ +.12=1.296vcore, 2000mhz CL11 1T 1.65v, x26 gpu. Could be the ram but im pretty sure its the cpu voltage because failures are quicker/later based on the cpu voltage (ie 5 minutes p95 with +08, 20 minutes with +.1, etc). Bumped up voltage to +.14, so far 40 min of occt cpu, hopefully it'll pass 24 hours p95 and I'll be done.

Quite sad though. 4.4ghz needs 1.312vcore on this chip (this is the worse of the 2 binned, this is the Video Editing build, ie msi g41, 3570k, 830ssd, 2x4gb gskill ares 1600 cl9 1.5v). I looked into exchanging my 3570k, one of them, for a i7-3770k at MC but they said they'd have to refund the motherboard combo price too.... so it'd be $40+50.

At least my other board is going 16 hours so far of p95, 4.6ghz@+.195v = 1.416vcore. I just got that single good stick in, at it's xmp profile 2000 cl7 1.65v. if this passes then ill mess with 4.7 at 1.5v, maybe extreme llc or something on it (as i understand it, llc effectively adds voltage but serves to make it so you ultimately use less voltage than you'd need to set if you had less llc).
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MikeG,
Thanks a lot, very good and detailed answer.
So for max temps while stress testing 5.0 at a CPU-Z voltage of 1.408 you have 70c? Is that correct, and what are your ambient temps?

Yes the temperature on core 1 spiked up to 70c at one point, but I'm not sure when that was. I could have been testing my GPU or loading an application. My average temps for the past 11.5hrs is 56c and AIDA 64 is still running.

When referring to "ambient" temps, are most people talking about the idle temperature of the CPU, the temperature within the case, or the ambient temperature of the room? The temperature of my room at desk level, and on the floor near the intake of my computer is 20.6c (69F) .

Ambient temp = Room temp

Ambient temp is technically the air temp inside the case, but since the temp of the room and the temp inside the case tend to be within 1C of each other, you can count the room temp as ambient. tongue.gif
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