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I went from not dellidded in the 90's to delidded with AS5 in the 70's(which I was totally happy about) to delidded with all CLU @ 53. I am actually freaking out with how good my temps are now.

This has to be the most informative/best idea/motivating club on OCN.

THANKYOU!
First off, those are nice temps, congratulations.

Secondly, I herby second your proposal that is one of the best ideas/clubs around. It makes having an Ivy chip so much better.
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I went from not dellidded in the 90's to delidded with AS5 in the 70's(which I was totally happy about) to delidded with all CLU @ 53. I am actually freaking out with how good my temps are now.

This has to be the most informative/best idea/motivating club on OCN.

THANKYOU!

yeah, i went like lmaosmiley.gif when i saw my temps first time ...lol thumb.gif
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nice, looks good to me thumb.gif
maybe mine was juuuust a little higher ...LOL tongue.gif

...you kid now tongue.gif , I'm still playing with my bandages following the delid mad.gifbiggrin.gif - but I'm coming for you (an early pic from the upcoming delid summary), haven't run all tests (like Cinebench @ 51, 52 +) yet thumb.gif

>> after dellid <<

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...you kid now tongue.gif , I'm still playing with my bandages following the delid mad.gifbiggrin.gif - but I'm coming for you (an early pic from the upcoming delid summary), haven't run all tests (like Cinebench @ 51, 52 +) yet thumb.gif

>> after dellid <<
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

this is my highest cinebench, at 5.1ghz, 1.610V vcore, 10.28 points wink.gif

come n get me biggrin.gif
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i5 3570k gflops 5.0and 5.1 ghz i got higher gflops 5.ghz cause i had cinebench open and probably something else running

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Okay, so this is the most I got the better of those 2 i5 3570ks I had:

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3570k
on die-TIM: PK-3
ihs-TIM: PK-3
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: 4.5ghz@1.3vcore
Temp drops: ~15*C
CPU-Z validation of max OC:

4.6ghz@1.416vcore was the most I could get that chip. I believe 4.7ghz would require around 1.51, 1.52vcore (was failing after 12 hours in p95 at 1.5).

However, I was able to exchange my i5-3570K (the bad one, the one I didn't delid) for an i7-3770k for $40 at MC, and then put the better, delidded i5-3570k in a build I made for someone else (they don't even know what overclocking is, I just did a 1ghz+ overclock for them for value).

This i7-3770K is just like my i5-3570K - boot up 4.5ghz, use GTL, got to 5ghz, freeze screen at 5.1ghz. Except it does that at 1.3vcore, instead of 1.5vcore ^^
So I think I have a really, really good i7 here.

I have gone ahead and delidded it, as well as recorded a custom small fft temperature test on 4.5ghz/1.3vcore before, and after delidding.

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3770K
on die-TIM: PK-3
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Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: -
Temp drops: 15+
CPU-Z validation of max OC: -

Before Delid: 89*C max (wow 3770k is a lot hotter than 3570k, I was getting this kind of temp before delid at like 1.5vcore I think).
After Delid: 76*C max (done the next day, in a room that's at least 5*F hotter...).

I believe the net result is somewhere between a 15-20*C temp drop. Those results are similar to what I believe I got last time, with the 3570k.

Pics:






Will be playing around, I'll add a cpu validation for 24 hours and all that later.
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Okay, so this is the most I got the better of those 2 i5 3570ks I had:

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3570k
on die-TIM: PK-3
ihs-TIM: PK-3
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: 4.5ghz@1.3vcore
Temp drops: ~15*C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

4.6ghz@1.416vcore was the most I could get that chip. I believe 4.7ghz would require around 1.51, 1.52vcore (was failing after 12 hours in p95 at 1.5).

However, I was able to exchange my i5-3570K (the bad one, the one I didn't delid) for an i7-3770k for $40 at MC, and then put the better, delidded i5-3570k in a build I made for someone else (they don't even know what overclocking is, I just did a 1ghz+ overclock for them for value).

This i7-3770K is just like my i5-3570K - boot up 4.5ghz, use GTL, got to 5ghz, freeze screen at 5.1ghz. Except it does that at 1.3vcore, instead of 1.5vcore ^^
So I think I have a really, really good i7 here.

I have gone ahead and delidded it, as well as recorded a custom small fft temperature test on 4.5ghz/1.3vcore before, and after delidding.

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3770K
on die-TIM: PK-3
ihs-TIM: PK-3
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: -
Temp drops: 15+
CPU-Z validation of max OC: -

Before Delid: 89*C max (wow 3770k is a lot hotter than 3570k, I was getting this kind of temp before delid at like 1.5vcore I think).
After Delid: 76*C max (done the next day, in a room that's at least 5*F hotter...).

I believe the net result is somewhere between a 15-20*C temp drop. Those results are similar to what I believe I got last time, with the 3570k.

Pics: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





Will be playing around, I'll add a cpu validation for 24 hours and all that later.


nice work Belial, looks good to me thumb.gif
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this is my highest cinebench, at 5.1ghz, 1.610V vcore, 10.28 points wink.gif

come n get me biggrin.gif

...first of all. this is all in good fun as I am very grateful to you and the rest of the delid crew for helping with great prep info before my delid !

...so all in good fun biggrin.gif - did you notice that at 100% load, I used 1.416v at 5.1 Ghz ? You seem to be running 1.61v at 5.1 Ghz...fortunately for you, I won't go over 1.534v for now

...that said, even with 'just' CLU on the die and still MX4 (per upcoming story) on the IHS for a few more days, my temp drop was very dramatic...already between 12 to 14 c, even with an uneven water block fit on top of the 5 fat rice kernels + big blob in the middle MX4 method biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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...that said, even with 'just' CLU on the die and still MX4 (per upcoming story) on the IHS for a few more days, my temp drop was very dramatic...already between 12 to 14 c, even with an uneven water block fit on top of the 5 fat rice kernels + big blob in the middle MX4 method

Ahhh that sounds terrible, no wonder your temp drop is so low. 1 fat rice kernel alone is way too much thermal paste, as in, I consistently saw a temp rise of about 5*C+ when using double rice grain method/fat rice grain method of spread, as opposed to half of a rice grain method (a rice grain itself borders on too much paste, frankly). You generally don't want your spread method to cover the entire IHS, as that means you used too much paste.

You can easily use too much paste, but it's impossible to use too little. When in doubt, use less.

Also, a lot of companies 'official' or 'recommended' spread methods will often be the worst way to apply paste. Prolimatech recommending a spread method (even including a spreader with their 1.5g packets), for example. HardwareSecrets did a TIM paste comparison where they showed the TIM footprint of a bunch of different spread patterns, the problem being that they never saw the temp results of their tests, they just judged them based on coverage (and covering entire ihs = too much paste).
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Ahhh that sounds terrible, no wonder your temp drop is so low. 1 fat rice kernel alone is way too much thermal paste, as in, I consistently saw a temp rise of about 5*C+ when using double rice grain method/fat rice grain method of spread, as opposed to half of a rice grain method (a rice grain itself borders on too much paste, frankly). You generally don't want your spread method to cover the entire IHS, as that means you used too much paste.

You can easily use too much paste, but it's impossible to use too little. When in doubt, use less.

Also, a lot of companies 'official' or 'recommended' spread methods will often be the worst way to apply paste. Prolimatech recommending a spread method (even including a spreader with their 1.5g packets), for example. HardwareSecrets did a TIM paste comparison where they showed the TIM footprint of a bunch of different spread patterns, the problem being that they never saw the temp results of their tests, they just judged them based on coverage (and covering entire ihs = too much paste).

...I know - normally I would have done it very differently and also used CL U or P (have lots, per pic) but I had to do a temporary fix as one of the four water block retainers is worn past 'tight' - more per upcoming summary as I am in the middle of a big conversion-build re custom loop replacing the water block...usually, I use a thin line + small dot in the middle when applying non-CL products ...the point with VonDutch was that in spite of these handicaps, I'm already experiencing some big improvements with CL on the die and 'delid' thumb.gif

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