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Success! That new chip had such bad vcore and temps I could not wait any longer to delid it and see if that would help. biggrin.gif

And it did lower the temps - avg. ~ 15C. Very nice, but not as nice as some others. This was with CL Ultra on all surfaces. I have ordered some CL PRO to see if it helps more. Also, I plan on lapping the IHS on both sides to see if that can gain a few C's too. No performance gains yet - same high OC of 5.1GHz so far. This chip just takes way too much vcor to reach any OC. I will see if I can lower it some now that temps are lower.

Really, delidding is not hard at all (once I got rid of that blade-knife and used only the one-sided razor blade). Takes only a few minutes. Getting that first corner shows you all you need to know to do the other three, and then the sides. Just use a razor and it is easy. The only really hard part is the taking of the risk if something does go wrong. The temps are worth it though, and I'd do it again! thumb.gif

Time to change that avatar! applaud.gif

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on die-TIM: CL ULTRA
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Mhz gained: none
OC after delid: 5.1GHz
Temp drops: 15C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2550216
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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Darn....couldn't get 5.5 Ghz even.....and I dont wanna do a 5.4 Ghz run again on Little Franky. I got close i did a 104 at 5.3.....but it tried and failed...so I'm stuck at 5.4 until Ln2 I gues...sad day.

Nice try! Poor Franky.... You don't have to go all the way to LN2, I think you can make it on dice first. Check out the info on the link below (unless you have already done so....)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1307983/so-i-want-to-give-dry-ice-a-try

Are you planning on going to the next LN2 meet? Last one looked great and I bet you would learn a ton by going to even one. thumb.gif
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post #1163 of 34072
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Originally Posted by PCWargamer View Post

Success! That new chip had such bad vcore and temps I could not wait any longer to delid it and see if that would help. biggrin.gif
And it did lower the temps - avg. ~ 15C. Very nice, but not as nice as some others. This was with CL Ultra on all surfaces. I have ordered some CL PRO to see if it helps more. Also, I plan on lapping the IHS on both sides to see if that can gain a few C's too. No performance gains yet - same high OC of 5.1GHz so far. This chip just takes way too much vcor to reach any OC. I will see if I can lower it some now that temps are lower.
Really, delidding is not hard at all (once I got rid of that blade-knife and used only the one-sided razor blade). Takes only a few minutes. Getting that first corner shows you all you need to know to do the other three, and then the sides. Just use a razor and it is easy. The only really hard part is the taking of the risk if something does go wrong. The temps are worth it though, and I'd do it again! thumb.gif
Time to change that avatar! applaud.gif
OCN name: pcwargamer
CPU: 3770K (#2)
on die-TIM: CL ULTRA
ihs-TIM: CL ULTRA
Mhz gained: none
OC after delid: 5.1GHz
Temp drops: 15C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2550216 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


very nice, glad it all went well smile.gif
i think i have about the same chip as you , when it comes to voltages..
5.1ghz needed 1.512V to do at least some benching.. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

very nice, glad it all went well smile.gif
i think i have about the same chip as you , when it comes to voltages..
5.1ghz needed 1.512V to do at least some benching.. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I hope your chip is better than mine. I know it is. This new chip takes 1.3+v to even run IBT at 4.5GHz. And I can run prime95 only for a short time at that 4.5 and 1.344v before the system reboots, so I will have to increase vcore somewhere past 1.344v at 4.5GHz to be able to run prime stable. And I was sooo hoping my new chip would be a winner!

At least the delidding went well and the temps are significantly lower. I will love to see if the PRO helps more, and then the lapping....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCWargamer View Post

Success! That new chip had such bad vcore and temps I could not wait any longer to delid it and see if that would help. biggrin.gif
And it did lower the temps - avg. ~ 15C. Very nice, but not as nice as some others. This was with CL Ultra on all surfaces. I have ordered some CL PRO to see if it helps more. Also, I plan on lapping the IHS on both sides to see if that can gain a few C's too. No performance gains yet - same high OC of 5.1GHz so far. This chip just takes way too much vcor to reach any OC. I will see if I can lower it some now that temps are lower.
Really, delidding is not hard at all (once I got rid of that blade-knife and used only the one-sided razor blade). Takes only a few minutes. Getting that first corner shows you all you need to know to do the other three, and then the sides. Just use a razor and it is easy. The only really hard part is the taking of the risk if something does go wrong. The temps are worth it though, and I'd do it again! thumb.gif
Time to change that avatar! applaud.gif
OCN name: pcwargamer
CPU: 3770K (#2)
on die-TIM: CL ULTRA
ihs-TIM: CL ULTRA
Mhz gained: none
OC after delid: 5.1GHz
Temp drops: 15C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2550216 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


REJECTED!


Just kidding it's Accepted thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Valgaur View Post

REJECTED!
Just kidding it's Accepted thumb.gif

LOL.. biggrin.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCWargamer View Post

I hope your chip is better than mine. I know it is. This new chip takes 1.3+v to even run IBT at 4.5GHz. And I can run prime95 only for a short time at that 4.5 and 1.344v before the system reboots, so I will have to increase vcore somewhere past 1.344v at 4.5GHz to be able to run prime stable. And I was sooo hoping my new chip would be a winner!
At least the delidding went well and the temps are significantly lower. I will love to see if the PRO helps more, and then the lapping....

looks like it, i can do 4.5ghz with about 1.235V
and did you try 4.6 , 4.7 and 4.8ghz?
i noticed not much vcore difference between 4.5 and 4.6..

can we assume pro does better then ultra on the Die ?
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I'd try it, but I'm way too afraid to have a $200 paperweight. It would barely even qualify for that if it failed, really.
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wauw thumb.gif
that looks very nice ..gratz,
im so jealous right now,i need 1.3V vcore for 4.7ghz ..grmbl...lol.. wink.gif

Thanks!
post #1169 of 34072
Spent most of the night swapping out IC Diamond 24 TIM for Liquid Pro TIM on my bare die NO IHS 3570k.


I tried using some Thermal pad around the die on the PCB with the Liquid Pro but I couldn't get the right spacing and my CPU would not post.

So I removed the thermal pad and still would not post.

Messed around with my mount for a few hours and I kept getting error 55 on my MB LED display.

I finally got a snug fit and was able to boot up but my temps are still not that great. My 3rd core is hotter than it has ever been. So I am going to have to redo this mount after I get some rest later on this weekend.


So far from what I am seeing Liquid Pro requires a nearly perfect mount to work right while the IC Diamond was more forgiving on the mount.



Screen shots of my temps so far.

Before with IC Diamond.

26C Ambient


With Liquid Pro
25C Ambient





My 3rd core has never been so hot so I think I may have a bubble in that area. I'm going to let it run prime95 for a few hours to see if the temps settle down. Probably going to have to remount.

IC Diamond is leading right now.
Edited by SonDa5 - 10/20/12 at 7:23am
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Spent most of the night swapping out IC Diamond 24 TIM for Liquid Pro TIM on my bare die NO IHS 3570k.
I tried using some Thermal pad around the die on the PCB with the Liquid Pro but I couldn't get the right spacing and my CPU would not post.
So I removed the thermal pad and still would not post.
Messed around with my mount for a few hours and I kept getting error 55 on my MB LED display.
I finally got a snug fit and was able to boot up but my temps are still not that great. My 3rd core is hotter than it has ever been. So I am going to have to redo this mount after I get some rest later on this weekend.
So far from what I am seeing Liquid Pro requires a nearly perfect mount to work right while the IC Diamond was more forgiving on the mount.
Screen shots of my temps so far.
Before with IC Diamond.
26C Ambient

With Liquid Pro
25C Ambient
Coming soon....

Interesting about the diff in mounts for PRO vs ICD. Looking forward to your results.
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