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Been a busy day today.

@ Joa3d43 - Nice post , congrats on the delid. What where you using to load the cpu on your 5.1 and 5.2 pics ?

Thanks...and you're the lucky guy I thought I briefly answer as there were several questions like this and also others far less sensible - good thing I did not post the 5.3 GHz results biggrin.gif

The whole point of the posting exercise was JUST to do a direct comparison of 'before and after' re delidding, and with CL Ultra on the die. I am not doing any top-speed validation runs yet with this semi-incomplete setup.

The screenshots with the windows resource manager (and other tools) indicating 100% load on all cores came in two batches:

4.8, 4.9 and 5.0 and then 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2. For all these tests ('before and after'), I used Aida64 Extreme Edition 'System Stability Test' to allow for a direct comparison of 100% load - which I stated in the original post, btw smile.gif

The only real differences were ambient temps (up to 3 C variance) ...and the first 3 tests were done on a Sabertooth Z77 (which is now in a VM) and the last 3 on a Maximus V Extreme. Because of the ambient and motherboard differences, I quickly ran Cinebench (two cycles each) right before and after the delid on the same mobo /ambient temp - Cinebench is NOT, and never has been, my be-all-end-all stress test.

I also keep on mentioning (hoping that one day someone will actually 'get it') that this is a partial work-related 'test' system and as such has MULTIPLE instances of SQL Server installed, including SQL ENTERPRISE which is a big memory and thread hog - in fact just the enterprise version has multiple times the memory usage than the next largest user (other than Win 7 systems stuff) via Resource / Processes.

Then there is also a RAM Disk...the SQL has a pres-set minimum of 8 gb of RAM and can use up to 16, the RAM disk has another 8 GB. SQL Enterprise is also paired with Microsoft IIS web server, addressed in localhost by the VM systems at all times trying to mimic real-world conditions, even when stress testing.

Some folks here seem to suggest that I should take 90 % of the RAM and assign it to Prime95 ...please folks - do the math, as much as I always do Prime95 testing with whatever is available, the system decides that automatically.

The are two issues I'm trying to deal with now. The first is that the delidding / cooling upgrade is not yet finished...the IHS is not seated quite right (about .75 to 1 mm 'too far back') but I don't think that that is a big issue - certainly does not seem to affect performance, and I did get the CL-U application on the die just right, so I am in no hurry to take the IHS off the die again. Of bigger concern is the fact that the close-water-loop block is a bit loose on one of the four corners as the corresponding rear retaining nut has worked itself deeper into the plastic retainer slot - I can twist the whole screw / nut assembly even when on full lock mad.gif

To compensate, I added a much thicker layer of MX4 on the die / water block area ON PURPOSE than I otherwise would, knowing that within a week or so, a brand new custom loop / Koolance block / big 360 rad will go on anyways thumb.gif

The second issue I am still researching...the Watt numbers are getting quite scary once past 5.1 Ghz, never mind 5.3. A 3770K is rated at max 77 watts, but at the speeds I am running and I shared with you, the chip pulls almost three times its rated max (see also Sin0822's table on that on this site). I'm getting a kill-a-watt meter on the weekend to do some more benching when benching, so to speak. biggrin.gif
Edited by Joa3d43 - 2/14/13 at 3:33am
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They make it easy, smallest vdroop at default, you actually have to change settings to get vdroop.
Unless you prefer more vdroop what's not to like?
The boards are great, you can use high end intel msi mobos to win mid range mobos in competitions at hwbot, & AMD msi mobos.... who doesn't like fireworks?biggrin.gif

Yeah I actually prefer vdroop believe it or not, as my mobo lets me go from 100% to 175% LLC (kinda nuts really) but I like the variances, with that I can seem to better tweak my OC's for some reason. it's kinda weird, thats actually how I got my 5 giggles at 1.43 so fast. saw my 4.5 vcore and the vdroop did some quick math with variables i made and got it within .02 vcore. (initially thought 1.45 was the stable but 1.43 was actually) rolleyes.gif Oh well I'm off for the night time to sleep for once... omg 2 A.M. never mind sleep. mad.gif
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Hi Von dutch

Here is Gflops at 4.9



Here is gflops at 5.0



The setting at 4.9 is 24 hour prime stable and the the setting at 5.0 is 13 hours tested stable. But I am showing lower gflops than you, maybe it is my ram?

im using the same ram speed, with xmp profile, 1600 mhz, 9-9-9-24,
if its near what others have, i think its all good, when you oc 100mhz higher, and dont
get higher gflops cpmpared to the 100 mhz lower ones, then its a problem,
or maybe you could call it "phantom instability" ..lol
its not a exact science tho, i mean, when you run ibt and windows is checking on something in the background,
like updates, could give you a gflop less etc..i wouldnt worry to much about it smile.gif
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im using the same ram speed, with xmp profile, 1600 mhz, 9-9-9-24,
if its near what others have, i think its all good, when you oc 100mhz higher, and dont
get higher gflops cpmpared to the 100 mhz lower ones, then its a problem,
or maybe you could call it "phantom instability" ..lol
its not a exact science tho, i mean, when you run ibt and windows is checking on something in the background,
like updates, could give you a gflop less etc..i wouldnt worry to much about it smile.gif

...or when windows is running the dreaded 'SuperFetch' - drives me mad sometimes
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Sorry for the crappy iPhone photos, I tried my best even with my lighting... The setback from my PC build pushed my new camera budget a bit farther but whatever. tongue.gif




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...or when windows is running the dreaded 'SuperFetch' - drives me mad sometimes


i disable some of the services in windows when i install new,
like superfetch, if you have a SSD you can disable it too, accesstimes are so low/fast with SSd's see smile.gif
this is my little list, set to manual in services:

Application Experience
Computer Browser (If your PC does not connect to any network)
Desktop Window Manager Session Manager (If you don’t want the aero effects)
Diagnostic Policy Service
Distributed Link Tracking Client
IP Helper
Offline Files
Portable Device Enumerator Service
Print Spooler (If you do not use Printer)
Protected Storage
Remote Registry (You can safely disable it for more Security) this one i think is important to disable! wink.gif
Secondary Logon
Security Center
Server (If your computer do not connect with any network)
Tablet PC Input Service
TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
Themes ( If you want any aero and good visual appearence (classic theme will be applied))
Windows Error Reporting Service
Windows Media Center Service Launcher
Windows Search (If you rarely use Windows Search feature )
Windows Time (If you do not want to synchronize system time with internet time automatically)
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i disable some of the services in windows when i install new,
like superfetch, if you have a SSD you can disable it too, accesstimes are so low/fast with SSd's see smile.gif
this is my little list, set to manual in services:

Application Experience
Computer Browser (If your PC does not connect to any network)
Desktop Window Manager Session Manager (If you don’t want the aero effects)
Diagnostic Policy Service
Distributed Link Tracking Client
IP Helper
Offline Files
Portable Device Enumerator Service
Print Spooler (If you do not use Printer)
Protected Storage
Remote Registry (You can safely disable it for more Security) this one i think is important to disable! wink.gif
Secondary Logon
Security Center
Server (If your computer do not connect with any network)
Tablet PC Input Service
TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
Themes ( If you want any aero and good visual appearence (classic theme will be applied))
Windows Error Reporting Service
Windows Media Center Service Launcher
Windows Search (If you rarely use Windows Search feature )
Windows Time (If you do not want to synchronize system time with internet time automatically)


i prefer to set manual over disable, with manual if windows needs it, it can still access the service if needed,
but think twice before just go ahead and disable, i dont have a printer, so i can disable/manual that one smile.gif


oops, i quoted myself ..LOL ...srry biggrin.gif

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Sorry for the crappy iPhone photos, I tried my best even with my lighting... The setback from my PC build pushed my new camera budget a bit farther but whatever. tongue.gif
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that looks nice and clean Swag thumb.gif
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that looks nice and clean Swag thumb.gif

Thanks. tongue.gif I didn't realize it was you VonDutch because it wasn't the spinning IHS anymore. tongue.gif Until I read the damn suitcase!
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VonDutch wrote...i prefer to set manual over disable, with manual if windows needs it, it can still access the service if needed,
but think twice before just go ahead and disable, i dont have a printer, so i can disable/manual that one smile.gif
oops, i quoted myself ..LOL ...srry biggrin.gif

Thanks for the list - BOTH times smile.gif - I had already modded win7 with some of it before, but there are some other ones here worth checking, i.e. whether they're needed by SQL / IIS
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Thanks for the list - BOTH times smile.gif - I had already modded win7 with some of it before, but there are some other ones here worth checking, i.e. whether they're needed by SQL / IIS

i been using black viper's config's for years now,
used to be a list, now the guy has a whole website i just noticed..
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/
hes got several, win 8 , win 7 sp1 etc etc..he did/does a great job..check the guide tab to look for your config,
the link is for win 7, sp1..
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Thanks. tongue.gif I didn't realize it was you VonDutch because it wasn't the spinning IHS anymore. tongue.gif Until I read the damn suitcase!

hmm, maybe i should change it back? ...lol biggrin.gif
i just like the name on that suitcase,
but the spinning ihs on the die is great too,
a heck ...w8 ...

there ...all VonDutch again ..lol
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