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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Don't be a sissy and play single monitor with less resolution (1080p or maybe even 720p)
Wait and see what the fuss is all about regarding titan (two more days or so)
I would get a 7970/50 or two for your rig. Similar cost to a 680 if not a few bucks more. I'd play single monitor really and use a single top of the line gpu. Nvidia is totally castrated for oc, and is beaten by amd's offerings anyways.

my my...'''sissy, castrated for oc, beaten by AMD's offering' - looks like the red team had a lot of hot peppers for dinner biggrin.gif but let's not have a red vs green team war (ok, may be later).

What worries me is the corporate situation for AMD - while NVidia has just announced another great quarterly financial result, AMD is in yet more trouble...and the new hedge fund owner that calls the shots now (!) recently fired the top AMD squad. Poor AMD is fighting on two fronts - ie. not only graphics with NVidia but CPUs with Intel, and it has had nothing that could even come remotely close to the latest few generation of Intel...it is not that they don't have the engineering skill, but their market position has deteriorated further, and they need to save money...thus no official 7990 (though there is some back-door stuff) and no significant 2013 developments...even the Ares 2 seemed rushed a bit to avoid a direct confrontation with Titan. Compare that with the 690 launch and now Titan. Heck, NVidia is now even getting into the ""CPU"" market.

And I don't need that graduate degree in economics to figure out what will happen when AMD becomes weaker - once its nemesis have weakened it to the point that it cannot react anymore, the overall choice and price ratio we all will face in vid cards - whether red or green team - will go down the tubes.

...as to NVidia not OCing, not only do I deal with folks who have both on LN2, but I just clocked three (!) 670ies up by over 200 in GPU and 800 (effective) on VRAM this weekend thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

my my...'''sissy, castrated for oc, beaten by AMD's offering' - looks like the red team had a lot of hot peppers for dinner biggrin.gif but let's not have a red vs green team war (ok, may be later).

What worries me is the corporate situation for AMD - while NVidia has just announced another great quarterly financial result, AMD is in yet more trouble...and the new hedge fund owner that calls the shots now (!) recently fired the top AMD squad. Poor AMD is fighting on two fronts - ie. not only graphics with NVidia but CPUs with Intel, and it has had nothing that could even come remotely close to the latest few generation of Intel...it is not that they don't have the engineering skill, but their market position has deteriorated further, and they need to save money...thus no official 7990 (though there is some back-door stuff) and no significant 2013 developments...even the Ares 2 seemed rushed a bit to avoid a direct confrontation with Titan. Compare that with the 690 launch and now Titan. Heck, NVidia is now even getting into the ""CPU"" market.

And I don't need that graduate degree in economics to figure out what will happen when AMD becomes weaker - once its nemesis have weakened it to the point that it cannot react anymore, the overall choice and price ratio we all will face in vid cards - whether red or green team - will go down the tubes.

...as to NVidia not OCing, not only do I deal with folks who have both on LN2, but I just clocked three (!) 670ies up by over 200 in GPU and 800 (effective) on VRAM this weekend thumb.gif
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670 FTW thumb.gif
on cold florida air biggrin.gif

NICE thumb.gifbiggrin.gif

...picked up about 1000 pts in 3D Vantage (below) just by modding the cards (results are for SLI, tri-SLI later in the week). To any 600-series GTX owner out there, I highly recommend the 'KGB' Bios mod referenced on the first page here http://www.overclock.net/t/1289489/gtx-600-series-unlocked-voltage-bios-downloads-and-tools . You can base it on your own current BIOS but mod it via cfg files...basically, unlimited customization !thumb.gif

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I had a bios flashed 670 ftw, mad ram oc and 1330mhz core...still weak and not worth good points at hwbot.
you can now get half decent points at vantage with lod but still the top spots are ln2 7970s anyway. Performance wise for benching amd is where it's at, hard to argue with the top scores...

Now for gaming, it's easier to reccomend nvidia, but not quite when things like the 7870 tahiti le cards exist.
those are cut down 7970s with 7870a price tag. Best bang buck ratio in the planet!
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

my my...'''sissy, castrated for oc, beaten by AMD's offering' - looks like the red team had a lot of hot peppers for dinner biggrin.gif but let's not have a red vs green team war (ok, may be later).

What worries me is the corporate situation for AMD - while NVidia has just announced another great quarterly financial result, AMD is in yet more trouble...and the new hedge fund owner that calls the shots now (!) recently fired the top AMD squad. Poor AMD is fighting on two fronts - ie. not only graphics with NVidia but CPUs with Intel, and it has had nothing that could even come remotely close to the latest few generation of Intel...it is not that they don't have the engineering skill, but their market position has deteriorated further, and they need to save money...thus no official 7990 (though there is some back-door stuff) and no significant 2013 developments...even the Ares 2 seemed rushed a bit to avoid a direct confrontation with Titan. Compare that with the 690 launch and now Titan. Heck, NVidia is now even getting into the ""CPU"" market.

And I don't need that graduate degree in economics to figure out what will happen when AMD becomes weaker - once its nemesis have weakened it to the point that it cannot react anymore, the overall choice and price ratio we all will face in vid cards - whether red or green team - will go down the tubes.

...as to NVidia not OCing, not only do I deal with folks who have both on LN2, but I just clocked three (!) 670ies up by over 200 in GPU and 800 (effective) on VRAM this weekend thumb.gif
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Has anyone tried using fluxless solder after delidding? I mean... wouldn't that be the best solution? You know for sure it works because it was done on millions of times before.
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I wouldn't try...for some reason Intel didn't in the first place, and it sounds like a fancy way of killing your chip.
Plus Liquid Ultra and Pro have better thermal conductivity any way.
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I wouldn't try...for some reason Intel didn't in the first place, and it sounds like a fancy way of killing your chip.
Plus Liquid Ultra and Pro have better thermal conductivity any way.

^^^ I think that's right...flux less solder applied in an industrial environment (clean room) is one thing, but trying to do that at home will bring a lot of issues of contamination, among other things
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

I wouldn't try...for some reason Intel didn't in the first place, and it sounds like a fancy way of killing your chip.
Plus Liquid Ultra and Pro have better thermal conductivity any way.

^^^ I think that's right...flux less solder applied in an industrial environment (clean room) is one thing, but trying to do that at home will bring a lot of issues of contamination, among other things

And, it is an extremely hard process to do. That chances of killing your CPU is probably 95%. tongue.gif
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I had a bios flashed 670 ftw, mad ram oc and 1330mhz core...still weak and not worth good points at hwbot.
you can now get half decent points at vantage with lod but still the top spots are ln2 7970s anyway. Performance wise for benching amd is where it's at, hard to argue with the top scores...

Now for gaming, it's easier to reccomend nvidia, but not quite when things like the 7870 tahiti le cards exist.
those are cut down 7970s with 7870a price tag. Best bang buck ratio in the planet!

...I can tell you that in many benchmarks (not just Vantage), and using bone-stock settings (re Lod) on my oc'ed 670ies, I get results now that are within 7970 CF and 680 SLI range, including oc'ed ones. Ultimately, the 7970 will have a higher head-room on crazy v's, and I really like the 7970ies...but up here at least, the pricing of them was just not as competitive. And all the guys I know who have and love 7970ies tell me that CF (especially 3 or 4 cards) creates far worse driver issues, micros-stutter etc than SLI does.

...but even that was not my point...it's the corporate difficulty AMD has. Here is a quote from MaximumPC on a technical issue: "The report concludes that Its possible Intel may eventually change the design back, however with AMD lagging pretty far behind these days they really don’t have much incentive to do so. Enthusiasts really only have one place to shop for CPU’s these days."

I hope this does not translate into less competition in the GPU space...I would like to see AMD come up with a direct challenger to 'Titan' but know that won't happen soon - not because they don't make good stuff but because they are in a much more difficult corporate situation. Remember 3DFX and Voodoo ?...
Edited by Joa3d43 - 2/17/13 at 10:30pm
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They did not use Solder because it damages the Die.

Due to it's size this is why All intel chips from now on will Use Tim and not solder....

Lets just hope they use better tim and less distance from the die to the IHS.
    
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