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They did not use Solder because it damages the Die.

Due to it's size this is why All intel chips from now on will Use Tim and not solder....

Lets just hope they use better tim and less distance from the die to the IHS.

The TIM they use is actually top-notch TIM. It's just the distance/gap between the IHS and PCB that ruins the temps! tongue.gif

Anyone got any say on overclocking the 680? I keep hearing that they degrade even on stock voltages!
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The TIM they use is actually top-notch TIM. It's just the distance/gap between the IHS and PCB that ruins the temps! tongue.gif

Anyone got any say on overclocking the 680? I keep hearing that they degrade even on stock voltages!

Best thing to do with a 680 is to sell it or get your money back and get a 7970 lol...

I would but im waiting for the new stuff...
    
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The TIM they use is actually top-notch TIM. It's just the distance/gap between the IHS and PCB that ruins the temps! tongue.gif

Anyone got any say on overclocking the 680? I keep hearing that they degrade even on stock voltages!

Best thing to do with a 680 is to sell it or get your money back and get a 7970 lol...

I would but im waiting for the new stuff...

Haven't bought the card yet, still weighing my options between a 680 and 7970!
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They did not use Solder because it damages the Die.

Due to it's size this is why All intel chips from now on will Use Tim and not solder....

Lets just hope they use better tim and less distance from the die to the IHS.

...yup, and there is also the fact that Intel had just switched to the 22nm process. Whatever we think of Intel, when it gets to this stuff, they are pretty much the smartest people on the planet - I speculate that the extra space between die and IHS (we remove) and also the TIM was 'insurance' for them after introducing a new 22nm process to see what their yield would be - it would not have taken very much for them to adjust the TIM or height of the IHS-to-die without scrapping a whole bunch of wafers to create different temperature and v patterns if the yield was worse - after all, that what we do here at delid, and quite successfully so biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

They did not use Solder because it damages the Die.

Due to it's size this is why All intel chips from now on will Use Tim and not solder....

Lets just hope they use better tim and less distance from the die to the IHS.

...yup, and there is also the fact that Intel had just switched to the 22nm process. Whatever we think of Intel, when it gets to this stuff, they are pretty much the smartest people on the planet - I speculate that the extra space between die and IHS (we remove) and also the TIM was 'insurance' for them after introducing a new 22nm process to see what their yield would be - it would not have taken very much for them to adjust the TIM or height of the IHS-to-die without scrapping a whole bunch of wafers to create different temperature and v patterns if the yield was worse - after all, that what we do here at delid, and quite successfully so biggrin.gifthumb.gif

Actually, I assume they have the glue there for insurance to not crush the more sensitive die (because it is smaller) and the fact that they want to keep all the chips uniform. It would be hard to glue the IHS onto the die so closely to the PCB and have it the same as every other chip. And you don't get that visual verification that the IHS is attached properly.
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Haven't bought the card yet, still weighing my options between a 680 and 7970!

7970 easy choice.
    
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Haven't bought the card yet, still weighing my options between a 680 and 7970!

7970 easy choice.

It's so hard because one side tells me the 680s are better and the other side tells me the 7970 is better. frown.gif I hate these mixed thoughts!
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It's so hard because one side tells me the 680s are better and the other side tells me the 7970 is better. frown.gif I hate these mixed thoughts!

Choose your poison...

Sli scales well and is pretty straightforward to set up. AMD drivers and crossfire profiles tend to be less user friendly, but I think they got it down with the latest 13.2 beta from what I gather.

7970's are cheaper and beat 680's, and can be overclocked much more, whilst giving lots more performance gain for each extra mhz.
A simple 100mhz oc on the core on my buddy's Gigabyte Windforce oc 7970 got us a big performance jump, and 100 more mhz (1200mhz) was even better, beating much higher clocked lightning and classified volt modded 680's (hard mods/evbot or nda afterburner 2.2.3) which cost more!

I got a big chunk of boints from a single heaven xtreme benchmark, and I expect a lot more after running all the other tests with the new 1200mhz 1700mhz mem oc on that 7970. thumb.gif
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It's so hard because one side tells me the 680s are better and the other side tells me the 7970 is better. frown.gif I hate these mixed thoughts!

Choose your poison...

Sli scales well and is pretty straightforward to set up. AMD drivers and crossfire profiles tend to be less user friendly, but I think they got it down with the latest 13.2 beta from what I gather.

7970's are cheaper and beat 680's, and can be overclocked much more, whilst giving lots more performance gain for each extra mhz.
A simple 100mhz oc on the core on my buddy's Gigabyte Windforce oc 7970 got us a big performance jump, and 100 more mhz (1200mhz) was even better, beating much higher clocked lightning and classified volt modded 680's (hard mods/evbot or nda afterburner 2.2.3) which cost more!

I got a big chunk of boints from a single heaven xtreme benchmark, and I expect a lot more after running all the other tests with the new 1200mhz 1700mhz mem oc on that 7970. thumb.gif

My brother is dead-set on the Gigabyte 7970 WF. I, on the other hand is still having one of those moments on whichever I choose, I'll feel bad afterwards. frown.gif I've had ATI GPUs up till now and when I first got my 5870s back in 2009, the drivers really messed up. Are they fixed now? I keep reading that they are but there are some of those random posts where they say they that experienced crashes/faults in the drivers

I do plan to SLI/Crossfire down the road (maybe when 700-series comes out if prices drop) no matter what, just matters on how soon. Which is better for a 2x GPU setup? A lot of also's so another one, what do you think of the overclocking problems of the 680? Like some people swear that Keplers degrade even on stock voltage, by just raising the clocks, it degrades.
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Take it from me.

Single Card Go AMD

Crossfire Cards Go AMD

Tri-fire.... Don't touch AMD

Quadfire.... Don't touch AMD.

AMD is the best currently (until titan arrives) with benchmarks... they make

Single screen go right ahead with AMD.

Mutli-Screens Go Nvidia.

The headaches I had with Eyefinity with quadfire is just crazy even with 13.2 drivers (Which were awesome by the way) is just good.

My only gripe is that with 7680x1440 the Displayport goes into a deep sleep that shutdowns the game and the screen and you need to do a complete restart to fix it.

Not good to go when you are playing in a very competitive BF3 session and that happens...

So... I switched two of my 7950s with a 690 and bought two 680 4GB... but titan arrives.... Same performance on Multi-screen with two GPUs that have the same performance as 4x680s? Yes please!
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