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Joa3d43 ;lilchronic; ivanlabrie; Hokies83; Hokies83; King4x4

+rep, I just wanted you guys to know thanks for putting up with my indecisiveness! smile.gif


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Originally Posted by King4x4 View Post

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Take it from me.

Single Card Go AMD

Crossfire Cards Go AMD

Tri-fire.... Don't touch AMD

Quadfire.... Don't touch AMD.

AMD is the best currently (until titan arrives) with benchmarks... they make

Single screen go right ahead with AMD.

Mutli-Screens Go Nvidia.

The headaches I had with Eyefinity with quadfire is just crazy even with 13.2 drivers (Which were awesome by the way) is just good.

My only gripe is that with 7680x1440 the Displayport goes into a deep sleep that shutdowns the game and the screen and you need to do a complete restart to fix it.

Not good to go when you are playing in a very competitive BF3 session and that happens...

So... I switched two of my 7950s with a 690 and bought two 680 4GB... but titan arrives.... Same performance on Multi-screen with two GPUs that have the same performance as 4x680s? Yes please!

I will be doing multi-screens. I plan on getting a 2nd card also. I will be gaming on a 1440p monitor (center one only!), the other 2 monitors will be used for when I watch movies/edit/school.
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I really can't afford $900 on a single GPU right now. I really only plan to play CS:S and CS:GO and maybe a bit of LoL. Other than that, I don't have too much gaming needs on PC so I don't see a point in dropping $900 on a GPU. I was just thinking when will the normal 700-series line be coming out to see if I should just wait for that instead of jumping on the $400 680. tongue.gif
It is still on my list, I have not ruled it out yet. I can get the Gigabyte 7970 for $420.

900 is far to much. I'm very skeptical about the titan. I think they are just trying to help out their branch of video editor cards like the tesla, but that from a guy who has a bunch of video maker buddies. I might buy one this summer and make it scream and see how far it will go, but only one... no more no less.
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

4k video will likely change the VRAM calculation anyhow as it will double requirements (mind you, most 2 GB cards would still be ok even then depending on resolutions)...current GTX series can apparently not run 4 K, but a future BIOS update might change that...Titan can run 4K right out of the box.

Agree completely. Also there is even 5K video as well let me know and I'll show you some.
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NICE thumb.gifbiggrin.gif

...picked up about 1000 pts in 3D Vantage (below) just by modding the cards (results are for SLI, tri-SLI later in the week). To any 600-series GTX owner out there, I highly recommend the 'KGB' Bios mod referenced on the first page here http://www.overclock.net/t/1289489/gtx-600-series-unlocked-voltage-bios-downloads-and-tools . You can base it on your own current BIOS but mod it via cfg files...basically, unlimited customization !thumb.gif


here's my 680 about 4 months ago with my i7 at 5.5 giggles and trashing about in anger at only 0C This is what a older reference card with cold air and an antec 620 does when OC'ed right with beta drivers, the new ones are even better, it took a lot of time getting it tweaked just right though, lot of mental math involved along with error redoing every crash.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4553724
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

Has anyone tried using fluxless solder after delidding? I mean... wouldn't that be the best solution? You know for sure it works because it was done on millions of times before.

nope. because you can't. It has to be done in a completely controlled environment and it must be done by robots and with nano meter precision, along with speed and stability to align everything properly and not mess everything up.
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

They did not use Solder because it damages the Die.

Due to it's size this is why All intel chips from now on will Use Tim and not solder....

Lets just hope they use better tim and less distance from the die to the IHS.

again hokies... not the TIM, the distance issue
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Choose your poison...

Sli scales well and is pretty straightforward to set up. AMD drivers and crossfire profiles tend to be less user friendly, but I think they got it down with the latest 13.2 beta from what I gather.

7970's are cheaper and beat 680's, and can be overclocked much more, whilst giving lots more performance gain for each extra mhz.
A simple 100mhz oc on the core on my buddy's Gigabyte Windforce oc 7970 got us a big performance jump, and 100 more mhz (1200mhz) was even better, beating much higher clocked lightning and classified volt modded 680's (hard mods/evbot or nda afterburner 2.2.3) which cost more!

I got a big chunk of boints from a single heaven xtreme benchmark, and I expect a lot more after running all the other tests with the new 1200mhz 1700mhz mem oc on that 7970. thumb.gif

Here..... lets make this a very simple comparison.

Swag what do you want for you computer and what do you plan to do with it? Not what everybody else thinks, but what YOU want. I've said this very few times, it's your rig, choose your parts that you want.

Just remember one thing AMD and Nvidia are good at their own things, but not both. Nvidia = better for gamers. AMD = better for benchers right now, plain and simple as that.

Thats all I have to say on this topic, it's your choice now, no one elses, only yours.
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This was one long post! tongue.gif Only 1 would still leave me broke!
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Originally Posted by Valgaur 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Choose your poison...

Sli scales well and is pretty straightforward to set up. AMD drivers and crossfire profiles tend to be less user friendly, but I think they got it down with the latest 13.2 beta from what I gather.

7970's are cheaper and beat 680's, and can be overclocked much more, whilst giving lots more performance gain for each extra mhz.
A simple 100mhz oc on the core on my buddy's Gigabyte Windforce oc 7970 got us a big performance jump, and 100 more mhz (1200mhz) was even better, beating much higher clocked lightning and classified volt modded 680's (hard mods/evbot or nda afterburner 2.2.3) which cost more!

I got a big chunk of boints from a single heaven xtreme benchmark, and I expect a lot more after running all the other tests with the new 1200mhz 1700mhz mem oc on that 7970. thumb.gif

Here..... lets make this a very simple comparison.

Swag what do you want for you computer and what do you plan to do with it? Not what everybody else thinks, but what YOU want. I've said this very few times, it's your rig, choose your parts that you want.

Just remember one thing AMD and Nvidia are good at their own things, but not both. Nvidia = better for gamers. AMD = better for benchers right now, plain and simple as that.

Thats all I have to say on this topic, it's your choice now, no one elses, only yours.

Yea, I know but I like inputs. tongue.gif I have a bad case of buyers remorse every time I buy something, like when I went 3570k. Even though I knew that I wouldn't need the extra threads and all they would do is basically hinder my gaming in some cases, I still had that remorse! For gaming, Nvidia is better? I don't GPU bench at all, it really hasn't interested me too much. I prefer CPU benching! It's more straightfoward to me.
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Actually, I assume they have the glue there for insurance to not crush the more sensitive die (because it is smaller) and the fact that they want to keep all the chips uniform. It would be hard to glue the IHS onto the die so closely to the PCB and have it the same as every other chip. And you don't get that visual verification that the IHS is attached properly.

...actually, per earlier posts, my 3770K's IHS was a bit crooked (runs great and benches at 5.3 GHz per separate thread)- which is why I call it the 'ugly duckling' biggrin.gif
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This was one long post! tongue.gif Only 1 would still leave me broke!
Yea, I know but I like inputs. tongue.gif I have a bad case of buyers remorse every time I buy something, like when I went 3570k. Even though I knew that I wouldn't need the extra threads and all they would do is basically hinder my gaming in some cases, I still had that remorse! For gaming, Nvidia is better? I don't GPU bench at all, it really hasn't interested me too much. I prefer CPU benching! It's more straightfoward to me.

here take a look at my HWbot link in a sec and look at the ranking of where my referance card 680 on a cpu cooler stands on water against full custom loops with better cards than mine.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings#start=0#interval=20#cores=1#coolingType=3

go a few more along I'm ranked about 70 ish. but the main point is look at all the 7970 there, they are made to bench and they do bench well. I bought my 680 for gaming, and I couldn't be happier. also when you look at how Nvidia and evga release their new drivers... they show the results on how they improved form their last drivers by playing games, I really enjoy this part they go yeah our last driver sucked kinda hard huh... well this one will get you another 10 fps. Enjoy. I don't know if AMD does that, but I like it that evga does. makes me feel like they enjoy making my games better.
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Originally Posted by King4x4 View Post

Take it from me.

Single Card Go AMD

Crossfire Cards Go AMD

Tri-fire.... Don't touch AMD

Quadfire.... Don't touch AMD.

AMD is the best currently (until titan arrives) with benchmarks... they make

Single screen go right ahead with AMD.

Mutli-Screens Go Nvidia.

The headaches I had with Eyefinity with quadfire is just crazy even with 13.2 drivers (Which were awesome by the way) is just good.

My only gripe is that with 7680x1440 the Displayport goes into a deep sleep that shutdowns the game and the screen and you need to do a complete restart to fix it.

Not good to go when you are playing in a very competitive BF3 session and that happens...

So... I switched two of my 7950s with a 690 and bought two 680 4GB... but titan arrives.... Same performance on Multi-screen with two GPUs that have the same performance as 4x680s? Yes please!

One thing Nvidia holds over Amd is that it's drivers are less buggy and user friendly then Amd's

And that is about it.. other then power and heat. Amd wins everywhere else price per performance over all performance...
    
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And Valguar read the whole post before you try and call me stupid.... heh noobs XD wink.gif
Edited by Hokies83 - 2/17/13 at 11:44pm
    
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Originally Posted by Swag View Post

This was one long post! tongue.gif Only 1 would still leave me broke!
Yea, I know but I like inputs. tongue.gif I have a bad case of buyers remorse every time I buy something, like when I went 3570k. Even though I knew that I wouldn't need the extra threads and all they would do is basically hinder my gaming in some cases, I still had that remorse! For gaming, Nvidia is better? I don't GPU bench at all, it really hasn't interested me too much. I prefer CPU benching! It's more straightfoward to me.

here take a look at my HWbot link in a sec and look at the ranking of where my referance card 680 on a cpu cooler stands on water against full custom loops with better cards than mine.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings#start=0#interval=20#cores=1#coolingType=3

go a few more along I'm ranked about 70 ish. but the main point is look at all the 7970 there, they are made to bench and they do bench well. I bought my 680 for gaming, and I couldn't be happier. also when you look at how Nvidia and evga release their new drivers... they show the results on how they improved form their last drivers by playing games, I really enjoy this part they go yeah our last driver sucked kinda hard huh... well this one will get you another 10 fps. Enjoy. I don't know if AMD does that, but I like it that evga does. makes me feel like they enjoy making my games better.

So Val, on a scale from 1 - 10, how satisfied are you with your purchase? Do you have any buyer's regret? I do agree though on the part of EVGA, they look like they actually like taking care of their customers! tongue.gif I really like the 680 for aesthetics, and it is $20 cheaper than the 7970 in my case so it is a bonus.
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here take a look at my HWbot link in a sec and look at the ranking of where my referance card 680 on a cpu cooler stands on water against full custom loops with better cards than mine.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings#start=0#interval=20#cores=1#coolingType=3

go a few more along I'm ranked about 70 ish. but the main point is look at all the 7970 there, they are made to bench and they do bench well. I bought my 680 for gaming, and I couldn't be happier. also when you look at how Nvidia and evga release their new drivers... they show the results on how they improved form their last drivers by playing games, I really enjoy this part they go yeah our last driver sucked kinda hard huh... well this one will get you another 10 fps. Enjoy. I don't know if AMD does that, but I like it that evga does. makes me feel like they enjoy making my games better.

...good point re driver support by NVidia...but for SWAG, I don't really see the problem...it is nice to have a choice...whether you end up getting a single 7970 or 680 (670?), you will have a lot of fun either way...if you plan to add a 2nd or especially 3rd card later, then your choice probably should be biased more towards NVidia

...or just 'sell your brother' and get a Titan...or if you like your brother a lot, hold out a bit until you get two Titans tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

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Originally Posted by Valgaur View Post

here take a look at my HWbot link in a sec and look at the ranking of where my referance card 680 on a cpu cooler stands on water against full custom loops with better cards than mine.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings#start=0#interval=20#cores=1#coolingType=3

go a few more along I'm ranked about 70 ish. but the main point is look at all the 7970 there, they are made to bench and they do bench well. I bought my 680 for gaming, and I couldn't be happier. also when you look at how Nvidia and evga release their new drivers... they show the results on how they improved form their last drivers by playing games, I really enjoy this part they go yeah our last driver sucked kinda hard huh... well this one will get you another 10 fps. Enjoy. I don't know if AMD does that, but I like it that evga does. makes me feel like they enjoy making my games better.

...good point re driver support by NVidia...but for SWAG, I don't really see the problem...it is nice to have a choice...whether you end up getting a single 7970 or 680 (670?), you will have a lot of fun either way...if you plan to add a 2nd or especially 3rd card later, then your choice probably should be biased more towards NVidia

...or just 'sell your brother' and get a Titan...or if you like your brother a lot, hold out a bit until you get two Titans tongue.gif

Haha, funny on the last part. tongue.gif I actually thought about the 670 but for only $50 more, I can get a 680! What's the point in getting the 670 then? tongue.gif I plan on getting a 2nd card because AFAIK, you need a 2 gpu setup for Nvidia to run 3 monitors. I'm just looking for the best gaming card, I don't plan to bench really.
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