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I can't update you guys until later lol I have work until 7....sooooo about 5 and a half hours left

looks at valgaurs avatar...you look tired ...take the rest of the day off ...lol tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by TSXmike View Post

did a practice round on an old core2. cracked the die (was being impatient), but wasnt planning on using it anyways.
good learning experience.

wished i could have done some practice before the real deal..
like kgtuning said , Just got to take your time.
didnt know core2 wasnt soldered tho..
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wished i could have done some practice before the real deal..
like kgtuning said , Just got to take your time.
didnt know core2 wasnt soldered tho..

It must have been soldered... to break in half.
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Originally Posted by Valgaur View Post

I can't update you guys until later lol I have work until 7....sooooo about 5 and a half hours left

Lol someone else who is at work on a sunday? Guess it is as productive as mine...lol.
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didnt know core2 wasnt soldered tho..

It is
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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ View Post

It is


this wasnt.

i totally expected it to be soldered too. but as soon as i had the seal cut out, the heatspreader just about fell off.

was some sort of grey TIM between the die and the HS. i can take some pics when i get home (was going to anyways, the inside of the die looks neat! )
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wauw feniks, thats alot.. gratz

he he, thanks, I am really happy how it worked out finally ... not to mention that I was totally drunk with Heineken when re-deliding this cpu at like 2am or so tongue.gif
one thing, I had to do was to use older BIOS on my MVE, the latest 1309 has some bugs in CPU overcurrent protection area and didn't allow me to go above 4.9GHz, while with older BIOS I could boot up to 5.1GHz no trouble ... well, it took hell of vcore (1.63v under light load), so my chip is not too good per high clocking ... couldn't do 5.2GHz at higher volts, because BIOS was forcing me back to configuration with a message "CPU overvoltage error" LOL!

as per my former 5GHz at 1.46v under load, it wasn't stable when I re-run IBT 10 rounds in standard mode and eventually it took 1.512v vcore under load to make it fully stable under IBT Max mode, good enough I'd say smile.gif
5.1GHz booted to Windows with no errors (and no more WHEA warnings in logs while loading Windows) with a lot more vcore ... however I was using Ultra High 75% LLC with offsets, if that matters.
Edited by feniks - 10/21/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by SonDa5 View Post

Delidded IB i5-3570k @ 4.5GHZ 1.15v with NO IHS with DT SNIPER Water block
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2551498
Loop configuration as tested. Single 120mm slim HWLABS Black ICE radiator. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
TIM IC Diamond 24
IBT 4.5GHZ Maximum memory tested 5 passes
Ambient Temps 26C
Best Temps seen over a 2 week period using IC Diamond Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
TIM Liquid Pro
IBT 4.5GHZ Maximum memory tested 10 passes
Ambient Temps 25C
Fresh Install Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
With IC Diamond 24 average temp of each core was 73C under IBT load. With Liquid Pro average temp of each core is at 61C!! under IBT load. smile.gif
Taking a look at my IB 3570k progress since delidding.
Before Delidding.
Ambient Temp 26C
TIM IC Diamond 24
Temps under LinX load 83C 93C 89C 84C average of 87.25C per core.
Since delidding I have been able to lower my average core temps under IBT 100% load at 4.5GHZ by 26.25C per core!!!


These are significant findings SonDa5.Great overall temp gains, and looks more like CL PRO is better than ICD with these mountings on your system. Please keep all of us updated on how your system does over time and when you make any more changes. Good stuff.
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We may have to just see what we have (for saved temp results) for those of us who have already joined from our pre-delided days, and then do comparisons off of those recorded OC, vcore, and temps. We can't go back to being lidded to redo temp runs!
But for new deliders we can state what we want after what we have learned so far.
1) I'd think 4.5GHz is a reasonable OC as it is typical of what lidded IBs are able to reach.
2) IBT default 10x runs would be good choice for load program
3) Also, for temps, I think the high to high way would be the easiest to do and would have useful info
We can decide on some good club rules, then post them on page one, and hope they are easy and useful enough, while also being standardized and able to generate some useful and helpful information to help others choose good TIMs, and see how delidding can help them get the temps IB can and should have.
What are you guys thoughts on these ideas?
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Originally Posted by neopunx View Post

I like this, I vote with PCwargamer, and not just because he had the most epic avatar ever and traded it out with a yoga master. I actually don't know what the diff is between pre a post lid on my chip. So I will be of no help when it come to the spread sheet. But for new comers, it makes sense. I do get grandfathered in right. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by feniks View Post

...
I do agree:
-4.5GHz as a baseline achievable for all
-quick 10 rounds of IBT 2.54 Standard (1GB RAM used) as a baseline load test and max temp generator for all cores
-comparing hottest before deliding (core1 for me) to hottest after deliding (core2 for me) seems like the best method - reasoning is simple you can't go higher than hottest core go, it limits the clocks (thermally) at 105C, no matter which core hits the limits, the whole die downclocks to cool down.
-we also should all use the same core temp monitoring program, e.g. RealTemp 3.70

Thanks neopunx, and good addition feniks - using the same core temp monitoring program is a good idea.

So Valgaur, if we are good with this, what do you think about adding something like the following to the first page delidding club thread instructions:
________________________________________________________________________________________
Please record the following information before and after delidding:

1) Obtain a 4.5GHz OC that can run IBT
2) Lanch RealTemp to record temps
3) Run IBT using default settings (10x runs) at the 4.5GHz OC
4) Record resulting highest core temp

Compare the resulting highest temp before and after delidding as your temp gain from delidding. - Thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________________

Please feel free to modify any of this to make it better and consider if this would improve the information our club can generate on the positive temp effects of delidding as well as what different TIMs do to assist or hinder the possible temp gains.

Of course, this is to improve the info gain as we go on, so those members who started before these additional rules should be grandfathered in, and if they can use whatever before and after temps they can it should be fine. Opinions from others are welcome!!!


Edit: Three other things we might want to add - run CPU-z to note OC and vcore info, run StickyNotes with OCN screenname etc., and then do screensaves of these to maybe post along with the delidded chip pic and the CPU-Z max OC validation as proof.
Edited by PCWargamer - 10/21/12 at 2:50pm
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all sounds good to me per those pre-formal rules, however I have no 4.5GHz before deliding to compare with LOL!
maybe let's just keep it at whatever OC above 42x the user prefers to make a comparison of before & after? I personally usually start overclocking my SB/IB chips at 4.6GHz and move forwards where all the fun starts biggrin.gif
Also it might be important to state that before screenshot should be fresh (last 24 hours) and not something like from half a year ago which could have changed a dozen times already in meantime wink.gif
Lastly, ambient room temperature at computer/radiator intake is important! it's hard to compare before and after when one doesn't state what the ambient was at. e.g. former test was done at 18C ambient while after test was done at 26C ambient, will make high to new high core temp meaningless, unless one (mathematically) adjusts them to same level of ambient ... then the comparison will be direct.

speaking of which, I need an advice, because I am wondering if my chip simply hits a voltage wall past 5.1GHz or not ... do those numbers below look more or less normal or something totally off like I am trying to overvolt the hell out of it for no apparent reason?

4.6GHz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.240v
*4.7Ghz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.288v (0.048v more than 100MHz lower)
4.8GHz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.344v (0.056v more than 100MHz lower)
4.9GHz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.416v (0.072v more than 100MHz lower)
5.0GHz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.512v (0.096v more than 100MHz lower)
5.1GHz - IBT stable vcore under load 1.638v (0.126v more than 100MHz lower)
5.2GHz - even possible with this chip? BIOS refuses to boot it at fixed voltage specified at 1.7V and CPU OverCurrent Protection disabled ... hitting a wall at multi 52x?
*all OC clocks & voltages under load (except for 4.7GHz) were double-checked in last 24 hours, so they are fresh and current, stable under IBT for at least 10 quick rounds or 2 (up to 20 sometimes) Maximum mode rounds, no WHEA warnings.

I use Ultra High 75% LLC and offsets for now, if it makes a difference. tried fixed vcore (also at UH LLC) at 1.7v for 5.2ghz but still no go, bios doesn't let me boot it stating some crap about CPU Overvoltage error (first time I see it) ... I guess I should start working the BCLK up wink.gif
Edited by feniks - 10/21/12 at 4:22pm
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