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Questions on post-delid - running CPU die 'naked' headscratch.gif

After checking and reapplying CL-U to my delidded CPU yesterday, I noticed that the IHS is quite curved, both below (die-to-IHS) and above (IHS-to-w-c block)...clearly supported by the stain patterns of TIM...even lapping might not get it, especially on the IHS underside, even though my temps are very good already and cores fairly well balanced

There are a few folks here that have run their delidded CPU 'naked' / IHS-free. First, I am wondering whether I have to remove the CPU lock-down mechanism (including the front screw) from the mobo, or does the naked die still protrude enough to get good contact with the CPU pins in the socket ?

That segways into the second question: Running naked will apparently take several tries of 'no boot', or any partial boot before freeze - usually a sign that the contact with the pins is not right.

Those folks who have actually done this (either successfully or not) can you share what to watch out for, what to remove and how to apply the 'right' pressure ? Thanks in advance smile.gif
Edited by Joa3d43 - 2/28/13 at 9:05pm
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PCWargamer wrote...Zeek, what was the vcore that killed it? Don't worry, a bunch of us here have been at 1.65v or more (some much more....), so we have risked the same thing ourselves, but the data point of what did in your chip would be nice to know. Thanks:

^^^ indeed, at what point did the guillotine 'come down' ? My board (ROG MVE) comes with the OC key, and once my build is finished, I'm thinking I might pump it up some more rolleyes.gif with that OC key which makes it very easy to go overboard
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I feel like doing it to my 3770K. Nothing to do and need some kind of project. To get MAX temp drop what thermal paste do i need? Also what kind of razer should i use?
I like Ultra, others like Pro, close to the same temp wise depending on who is testing. One edged razor, one that is used for shaving so it is sharp and thin. Just don't let the edges of the razor touch the pcb, you only need the middle part of the blade.
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Questions on post-delid - running CPU die 'naked' headscratch.gif

After checking and reapplying CL-U to my delidded CPU yesterday, I noticed that the IHS is quite curved, both below (die-to-IHS) and above (IHS-to-w-c block)...clearly supported by the stain patterns of TIM...even lapping might not get it, especially on the IHS underside, even though my temps are very good already and cores fairly well balanced

There are a few folks here that have run their delidded CPU 'naked' / IHS-free. First, I am wondering whether I have to remove the CPU lock-down mechanism (including the front screw) from the mobo, or does the naked die still protrude enough to get good contact with the CPU pins in the socket ?

That segways into the second question: Running naked will apparently take several tries of 'no boot', or any partial boot before freeze - usually a sign that the contact with the pins is not right.

Those folks who have actually done this (either successfully or not) can you share what to watch out for, what to remove and how to apply the 'right' pressure ? Thanks in advance smile.gif
It's funny, you said basically the exact same thing I did awhile back, and then asked the same question. Basically I agree, with the warped shape of an IHS both on top and bottom, removing it should help.

MikeG is the expert. He should be along to answer your question better, but he got something like 8c better by direct die, and yes you remove the clamp but that is easy to do. The pressure is the hard part, just a little at a time until it boots. He said once you get used to your cooler and the proper pressure it isn't that hard. I would think measuring out some spacers and working that into the mounting bracket to keep you from putting too much pressure might be a good idea. The majority here disagree with the risk/reward, but it worked for him.

Here is a thread to look at:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2285595
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It's funny, you said basically the exact same thing I did awhile back, and then asked the same question. Basically I agree, with the warped shape of an IHS both on top and bottom, removing it should help.

MikeG is the expert. He should be along to answer your question better, but he got something like 8c better by direct die, and yes you remove the clamp but that is easy to do. The pressure is the hard part, just a little at a time until it boots. He said once you get used to your cooler and the proper pressure it isn't that hard. I would think measuring out some spacers and working that into the mounting bracket to keep you from putting too much pressure might be a good idea. The majority here disagree with the risk/reward, but it worked for him.

Here is a thread to look at:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2285595

...Thanks, I'm looking forward to what MikeG will say...and the link is helpful though I had re-read it last night....Anandtech is a great source. My question is a little bit different though from the previous time you refer to:

I have seen info from Europe(Germany) whereby some get the IHS-free arrangement to work WITH the socket retainer mechanism in place (?) but it really seems to be just a few folks who manage to get good pin contact that way...the advantage is that the mechanism acts as a natural spacer - but again, only for a few folks - seems to be hit and miss.

There was also another chap who had actually machined the bottom of his water-block just a bit so that the inner part extended a little deeper and the outer (original) part sat on the CPU retainer / socket mechanism - but for that you need some good CNS tools and skills.
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OT again, but since there are some benchers here, does windows 7 without SP1 help raise scores, and if so why?
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OT again, but since there are some benchers here, does windows 7 without SP1 help raise scores, and if so why?

For benching, I'd just get a stripped Win Installation. Makes a huge difference. You can talk to Val or someone more into benching about which one to specifically get.
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Welp i think my IC diamond tim was bad lol...

I had the cap off it and used the very last in the tube on my block "thought it was a bit stiff"

So i snagged some PK-1 since a hear great things about it...

I do not want to stain my Fancy Water block with LU / LP heh.
    
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Currently Direct Die with liquid Ultra.

Temps before at 5GHz @ 1.43 were reaching 104C quite quickly.

Right now the loop isn't quite bled out, and I'm stressing max 68C. ( I kind of need a little extra heat to set the CLU right? )

Edit: Oh yeah...

Edited by Xinoxide - 2/28/13 at 10:36pm
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OT again, but since there are some benchers here, does windows 7 without SP1 help raise scores, and if so why?

yes the less files that are running the better the scores thats why stripped OS's are nice to have but corrupt easily, I still need a nice XP one still, kept having issue one after the other and said screw it. rolleyes.gif
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