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post #12911 of 33639
^^^ Impressive results Belial. I need to order some CLU ASAP.

What is the consensus on temps increasing after delidding? By that I mean, do temps regularly go up after the initial drop after some delidds? If so, is this due to not using CLU? Is the IHS shifting under the heatsink, or is all the Tim squeezing out or something. I've read a few post by people who say their temps slowly crept back up. Is this a normal phenomenon?
 
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post #12912 of 33639
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Originally Posted by valkeriefire View Post

^^^ Impressive results Belial. I need to order some CLU ASAP.

What is the consensus on temps increasing after delidding? By that I mean, do temps regularly go up after the initial drop after some delidds? If so, is this due to not using CLU? Is the IHS shifting under the heatsink, or is all the Tim squeezing out or something. I've read a few post by people who say their temps slowly crept back up. Is this a normal phenomenon?

...very much depends on the TIM - with MX4, CLU and CLP (I have used all of them), temp stayed low (if not dropped 1 c or so) over the review period (6 mth +)

...however, several posts re Artic Silver 5 and a few other TIMs seem to suggest that temps creep back up a bit
post #12913 of 33639
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

Okay, so this is the most I got the better of those 2 i5 3570ks I had:

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3570k
on die-TIM: PK-3
ihs-TIM: PK-3
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: 4.5ghz@1.3vcore
Temp drops: ~15*C
CPU-Z validation of max OC:

4.6ghz@1.416vcore was the most I could get that chip. I believe 4.7ghz would require around 1.51, 1.52vcore (was failing after 12 hours in p95 at 1.5).

However, I was able to exchange my i5-3570K (the bad one, the one I didn't delid) for an i7-3770k for $40 at MC, and then put the better, delidded i5-3570k in a build I made for someone else (they don't even know what overclocking is, I just did a 1ghz+ overclock for them for value).

This i7-3770K is just like my i5-3570K - boot up 4.5ghz, use GTL, got to 5ghz, freeze screen at 5.1ghz. Except it does that at 1.3vcore, instead of 1.5vcore ^^
So I think I have a really, really good i7 here.

I have gone ahead and delidded it, as well as recorded a custom small fft temperature test on 4.5ghz/1.3vcore before, and after delidding.

OCN name: Belial
CPU: i5-3770K
on die-TIM: PK-3
ihs-TIM: PK-3
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: -
Temp drops: 15+
CPU-Z validation of max OC: -

Before Delid: 89*C max (wow 3770k is a lot hotter than 3570k, I was getting this kind of temp before delid at like 1.5vcore I think).
After Delid: 76*C max (done the next day, in a room that's at least 5*F hotter...).

I believe the net result is somewhere between a 15-20*C temp drop. Those results are similar to what I believe I got last time, with the 3570k.

Pics:






Will be playing around, I'll add a cpu validation for 24 hours and all that later.

Okay so I just tested 4.5ghz@1.3v. I'm not sure why I hit 105*C earlier on pk-3, but anyways, I ran 4.5ghz@1.3v on this new CLU on die/CLU on IHS and my temp was 68*C.

So I think I got a 8*C temp drop going to CLU.

So I just want to say I was wrong about how awesome Coollaboratory liquid ultra is. It's by far a good investment over PK-3 or another high end thermal ceramique that you can get for under $3, despite the ~$20 cost of CLU. 8*C temp drop is similar to what you'd get going from a hyper 212 to a mid-high end cooler like an hr-02 macho, h80, frio extreme.... And that's over pk-3, so that's pretty insane.

So that'd put my total temp drop ~23*C from pk3 IHS lidded to non-delid CLU IHS/CLU on-die.

I told you guys I'd compare pk3 vs clu.

Anyways, I was wrong.
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post #12914 of 33639
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Okay so I just tested 4.5ghz@1.3v. I'm not sure why I hit 105*C earlier on pk-3, but anyways, I ran 4.5ghz@1.3v on this new CLU on die/CLU on IHS and my temp was 68*C.

So I think I got a 8*C temp drop going to CLU.

So I just want to say I was wrong about how awesome Coollaboratory liquid ultra is. It's by far a good investment over PK-3 or another high end thermal ceramique that you can get for under $3, despite the ~$20 cost of CLU. 8*C temp drop is similar to what you'd get going from a hyper 212 to a mid-high end cooler like an hr-02 macho, h80, frio extreme.... And that's over pk-3, so that's pretty insane.

So that'd put my total temp drop ~23*C from pk3 IHS lidded to non-delid CLU IHS/CLU on-die.

I told you guys I'd compare pk3 vs clu.

Anyways, I was wrong.

...once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken biggrin.gif

...a 23 degree C drop is almost identical what I got after delidding and adding it together with a prior CLU-on-IHS-to block test...by the time I added a custom water loop, it's lot more but delidding is by far the biggest contributor to temp drops...and CLU over MX4 yielded a netted-out 3.5 C.

Congrats on your great progress thumb.gif
post #12915 of 33639
Seems like the i7 runs ridiculously hotter than an i5 - seriously 1.4v for the i5 and you see 70c temps - and for the i7 you see 90c+
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

Okay so I just tested 4.5ghz@1.3v. I'm not sure why I hit 105*C earlier on pk-3, but anyways, I ran 4.5ghz@1.3v on this new CLU on die/CLU on IHS and my temp was 68*C.

So I think I got a 8*C temp drop going to CLU.

So I just want to say I was wrong about how awesome Coollaboratory liquid ultra is. It's by far a good investment over PK-3 or another high end thermal ceramique that you can get for under $3, despite the ~$20 cost of CLU. 8*C temp drop is similar to what you'd get going from a hyper 212 to a mid-high end cooler like an hr-02 macho, h80, frio extreme.... And that's over pk-3, so that's pretty insane.

So that'd put my total temp drop ~23*C from pk3 IHS lidded to non-delid CLU IHS/CLU on-die.

I told you guys I'd compare pk3 vs clu.

Anyways, I was wrong.

updated! Thats why we all use CL stuff man. crazy things happen when we all love and cherish the CL man! tongue.gif
post #12917 of 33639
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Seems like the i7 runs ridiculously hotter than an i5 - seriously 1.4v for the i5 and you see 70c temps - and for the i7 you see 90c+

Yea the cache and hyperthreading definitely make the i7 hotter than the i5. Not sure about a 20*C temp rise but it is hotter.
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updated! Thats why we all use CL stuff man. crazy things happen when we all love and cherish the CL man!

No need to update, yet. I'll post when I get my final overclock and temps. I've 24 houred 4.8@1.4v just for a very conservative, baseline. I dont think 4.9 was stable at 1.4v but at 1.45 ive been trucking 2 hours already (on 2400 cl8-12-8-28 very tight secondary and tertiary timings too, 1.75v, either going to be very stupid waste of time or very lucky if i pass this run on both my first test on 4.9 and such tight secondary/tertiary timings but loosening to 28 from 27 helped me pass more than 2 hours right away). I think I can definitely get 4.9 to work on this chip under 1.5v, hopefully i'll be able to do 5ghz on less than 1.55v. I think 5.1 would be asking quite a lot, but maybe we'll see.
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ok I am now testing at 4.8Ghz at 1.3v and my top temp is around 62c. This chip is the best I've ever had! I know for a fact that it does not need 1.3v but I am just uisng a bit more vcore for an easier OC.
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I get Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra for $8 (amazon points on card dropped it from $16ish).

I test my pk-3 delid i7, at 4.8ghz@1.4v.

Max temp 105*C?, I had throttling on the 3rd core, the rest of the cores were like 98-99.

Then I put CLU on both die and ihs. I put a tiny drop on die, spread it, then what's the brush, i spread under ihs. You really don't need much of this stuff at all. Then I put a similarly, but slightly larger tiny drop on ihs, spread it all over.

Before


After


I have max temp of 77*C. a ~30*C temp drop doesn't really sound right, especially since I tested 4.8@1.4v before and ran a 24 hour p95 test even on that setting with a max temp of 89*C. So I don't know what happened, I didn't reset the cooler or anything....

But I'd say I got a temp drop of ~12*C going to coollaboratory liquid ultra.

I'll post my 24/7 prime95 overclock on this cpu later. Just got a new PSU because I had a faulty one before, I'm sure this chip can do 4.9ghz if not 5+, on reasonable voltages.
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Okay so I just tested 4.5ghz@1.3v. I'm not sure why I hit 105*C earlier on pk-3, but anyways, I ran 4.5ghz@1.3v on this new CLU on die/CLU on IHS and my temp was 68*C.

So I think I got a 8*C temp drop going to CLU.

So I just want to say I was wrong about how awesome Coollaboratory liquid ultra is. It's by far a good investment over PK-3 or another high end thermal ceramique that you can get for under $3, despite the ~$20 cost of CLU. 8*C temp drop is similar to what you'd get going from a hyper 212 to a mid-high end cooler like an hr-02 macho, h80, frio extreme.... And that's over pk-3, so that's pretty insane.

So that'd put my total temp drop ~23*C from pk3 IHS lidded to non-delid CLU IHS/CLU on-die.

I told you guys I'd compare pk3 vs clu.

Anyways, I was wrong.

Glad to see you've come around! There's a reason we all use the stuff, it's pretty good in this particular application (on the die). Nice results, good work.
post #12920 of 33639
^ Thanks. Hopefully within the week I'll report my max overclock. If I'm lucky and I pass this 24 hours p95 with my ram as tight as it is, it means I'm all done with my ram overclocking because I've literally got every single secondary and tertiary timing down to 1 point from what it would boot from (well, ***c is at 100 instead of 133 and 74 wouldn't boot, and then for the t ref intervals i got 5200/45 and i could maybe go lower on those), like a handful of them are loosened 1 for stability (ie rrsr is 5 instead of 4, rwdrdd is 4 instead of 3). This 4.9@1.45v overclock is really more to test my ram but i threw in 4.9ghz on a rather high voltage because i wanted to test both at the same time.

if i fail this test i'll be pulling my hair out wondering if it's the ram or the cpu overclock and would run the cpu at stock on the same ram timings and likely fight it for a few days, haha.


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ok I am now testing at 4.8Ghz at 1.3v and my top temp is around 62c. This chip is the best I've ever had! I know for a fact that it does not need 1.3v but I am just uisng a bit more vcore for an easier OC.

Screenie of 24 hour custom blend plz. I don't believe this is truly stable. I've had a couple ivies and the one I got here that can do 4.8@1.4v is a goldfind (I'm pretty sure it can do 5ghz around 1.5, 1.525v, which is what golden chips do).
Edited by Belial - 3/2/13 at 7:04am
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
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Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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