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turns out whenever i play cs:go i get random crashes at 4.4 and 4.5ghz. At first i thought it was my video card, but after looking at WHEA, it turns out that my computer isn't quite stable. I think it's because that I used a napkin during the delidding process as I've cleaned my chip several times. Static electricity is probably what neutered my chip from being able to overclock beyond a stable 4.5ghz.

lol that would not cause a problem, all that would do (using a napkin to clean) is at worst leave flakes of napkin on the CPU that likely get on anyone's cpu just because of stuff traveling in the air. Stuff like getting your finger on the ihs, touching it and such, really has no impact on the temps (maybe like .00001 degree more if anything). Static electricity will kill your chip, as in it won't work. It won't make it a bad overclocker.

The majority of ivies are just 'bad' overclockers. It's only a very few chips that can get beyond 4.5-4.6ghz, and a very select few that can do 4.7+. Much less any that can do 4.7+ on a low voltage.

So I failed prime95, again, at the 16th hour. Hardware failure on one worker. These ram timings, so hard. I'm pretty sure I'm just right there with stability but I have no idea what to loosen, what secondary tertiary to really loosen. I went from TRFC from 100 to 110, like this (2400mhz CL8-12-8-28 1T 1.75v)



I have no idea which of these many, many timings is responsible for me to keep failing like this so I'm just going to bump voltage up from 1.75 to 1.76. Maybe I'll use DDR LLC too, haha.

Anyways my point is that I tried that intel xtreme tuning benchmark on these settings. I did the memory test, 5 minutes. Now 5 minutes is far from 16 hours, but it didn't reveal any instability.
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I apologize, and apologized, as I had written that before seeing the part where you overpaid for a havik.
arnt you the guy who ;aid $61 for a mid-range cooler biggrin.gif
So he tests them on totally different days and different ambient temps, he compares a cooler with a 120/140mm fans instead of 2x140mm fans that are blazingly loud, and he tests them on large fft instead of a small fft which results in a 10-20*C lower temperature result.

It's a terrible review. I own both the nh-d14 and havik, I'm using both right now, I can tell you, easily 5-10*c difference on them. His review goes against every other review out there as well. It's not physically possible for a single tower cooler, to perform on the same level as a dual tower with almost twice the surface area (except the very ridiculous hr-02 macho, which still doesnt beat any of the dual towers). No amount of innovation and copper/nickel/silver is going to make one design better than another. It may reduce the gap, but it won't make it better.

The archon is a better heatsink even, and that is still quite a bit behind the nh-d14.
Right, I'm well aware of what prices might be regularly. It's a mid-range cooler. You should never pay more than $20-40 for a mid-range cooler. The NZXT havik might be only $20-40 once a year on some special newegg shell shocker or used, but there are hundreds of other mid-range coolers with 6 heatpipes, single tower, that are out there, that perform identically, and one of them is on sale, all the time.
Maybe you should have gotten a better cooler biggrin.gif

80*C is quite cool, for a max temp really 90-105*C is fine depending on how conservative you are. I had no problem with my havik going over 4.5ghz@1.3v, pretty sure it stayed around 80 as I know I wasn't pushing temps at all.

You can learn something, or you can just get angry and nasty about things, i dont even know why. I'm telling you why that review is terrible and why most reviews in general are terrible. Sorry if that hurts your sensibilities.

the only thing that actually hurts me is way you trash my words like i'm a pos, it's like you are talking to a complete retard, look back at the way you talk in that post, it makes you come off like a mr.know it all while everybody else including me is a pos.

i will respect you but i expect the same in return....
Edited by invincible20xx - 3/4/13 at 1:05am
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Okay let's leave it at that. I meant no offense, I saw the price you paid afterwards, and I don't think it's really applicable if you aren't in the US anyways.

It's more like I think certain reviewers are dumb. And even then I don't think that's true, I think they are fully aware what they are doing and skewing their tests intentionally, so that they get more products to test out(notice they never say "this item sucks!", every single item reviewed is always high quality A+! at least) and ultimately sell and make money on, and to attract a larger audience (the more dumbed down the material and less technical and in-depth, the wider audience you'll have, ie OCN's forum size vs Tomshardware forum, vs even the more specialist hardware sites like rebelshaven which is basically dead).

They all have an agenda, I think, and it rages me. Hardware Secrets puts out absolutely amazing articles, like their article on what a VRM is, how to judge a power supply, explanation of RAM timings, but their benchmarks on heatsinks and thermal paste is absolute crap (although the stuff about testing chocolate and vaseline and various household products is cool). Tomshardware puts out a ton of stuff and it's great they get a lot of people into this stuff, but their forums are a cesspool of bad advice and their benchmarks are definitely, intentionally, geared toward uninformed people (ie 'this motherboard is the best overclocker because it has a great overclocking software", "this motherboard is the fastest even though that's only because it's stock bios settings slightly overclock the ram and bclk").

I used to worship TH and loved it. Over time I started going from 'noticing' they weren't talking about certain things to intentionally leaving certain details out. It's the Reviewer industrial complex man, say nice things and companies will send you more stuff to review.

Prolimatech offered to let me review more of their stuff after I tested their thermal paste, but I told them it would be unfair if I ended up writing a negative review of their new fan when I don't have the specialist equipment necessary to test fans out (dba meter, cfm meter, static fluid meter, whatever those are). I don't think the reason they didn't send me the fan to test out was because I didn't have the complex equipment to do an honest fan test.
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Okay let's leave it at that. I meant no offense, I saw the price you paid afterwards, and I don't think it's really applicable if you aren't in the US anyways.

It's more like I think certain reviewers are dumb. And even then I don't think that's true, I think they are fully aware what they are doing and skewing their tests intentionally, so that they get more products to test out(notice they never say "this item sucks!", every single item reviewed is always high quality A+! at least) and ultimately sell and make money on, and to attract a larger audience (the more dumbed down the material and less technical and in-depth, the wider audience you'll have, ie OCN's forum size vs Tomshardware forum, vs even the more specialist hardware sites like rebelshaven which is basically dead).

They all have an agenda, I think, and it rages me. Hardware Secrets puts out absolutely amazing articles, like their article on what a VRM is, how to judge a power supply, explanation of RAM timings, but their benchmarks on heatsinks and thermal paste is absolute crap (although the stuff about testing chocolate and vaseline and various household products is cool). Tomshardware puts out a ton of stuff and it's great they get a lot of people into this stuff, but their forums are a cesspool of bad advice and their benchmarks are definitely, intentionally, geared toward uninformed people (ie 'this motherboard is the best overclocker because it has a great overclocking software", "this motherboard is the fastest even though that's only because it's stock bios settings slightly overclock the ram and bclk").

I used to worship TH and loved it. Over time I started going from 'noticing' they weren't talking about certain things to intentionally leaving certain details out. It's the Reviewer industrial complex man, say nice things and companies will send you more stuff to review.

Prolimatech offered to let me review more of their stuff after I tested their thermal paste, but I told them it would be unfair if I ended up writing a negative review of their new fan when I don't have the specialist equipment necessary to test fans out (dba meter, cfm meter, static fluid meter, whatever those are). I don't think the reason they didn't send me the fan to test out was because I didn't have the complex equipment to do an honest fan test.

ok let's forget it and put it behind our backs biggrin.gif

also since you apologized i apologize too if i offended you mr.demon lord belial biggrin.giftongue.gif
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You first run ibt. Then run prime, then fold if needs be. Then you know you're 100% stable
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ok let's forget it and put it behind our backs biggrin.gif

also since you apologized i apologize too if i offended you mr.demon lord belial biggrin.giftongue.gif

Glad you guys sorted it out. You wouldn't like Valgaur when he's angry, he'll make you read every word posted on this thread....... tongue.gif
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Do you void Intel warrenty by running the chip over the default voltage? Or do they cover moderate overclocking? I can't seem to find the exact UK warranty Document for the i7 3770k 2 year warranty plan as standard with all i7 3770k's.
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I think I put "100% stable" in the same box with "future proof"...
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Temps before the chip gets nekid. I have a pretty high ambient. 24c'ish eh-smiley.gif
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post #13090 of 33678
whea errors/warnings,esp cpu parity errors are 100% not enough cpu voltage biggrin.gif
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