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You mean upscaling games to 4k artificially?

No, i dont, actually i hate that stuff.

Starcraft: Brood War took almost nothing to render at 640x480 at 60+fps - slowdowns were pretty much unheard of.
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Processor 90 MHz Pentium or equivalent

Video SVGA video card that supports DirectDraw at 640 x 480 resolution, 256 colors

Memory 16 MB RAM

Starcraft's minimum requirements.

Rendering a 2d or 2.5d game - using sprites, not models and shaders - should surely take very little power? I dont mean upscaling at all, i just mean natively rendering 3840x2160.

If a marine in Starcraft is 5 pixels by 10 pixels and display density is up 5x - you could make sprites that are 25x50 pixels and have it cover the same area for example.

If Starcraft could run 640x480 on a 90MHz pentium system with whatever qualified as a video card back when 90mhz pentiums were around, surely an OC'd 3570k + titan could render something using 27x as many pixels if you could get around the bandwidth issues for transmitting 3840x2160 at high framerates
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I have no idea why one would get it, when you could go SLI with 2 GTX660ti's and/or for the same price still get GTX680's x2

SLI has to deal with microstuttering, profiles, etc and also brings a lot of problems to screen capture for streaming programs etc - If you are trying to run a high resolution and FPS livestream and keep game framerates up, titan is a better option - and also if you want to avoid SLI/Xfire, it holds the title of strongest single GPU by quite some margins - it also has 6gb VRAM which is arguably useful at times when other cards are limited to something like 2gb per GPU which does not increase when you sli/xfire them
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No, i dont, actually i hate that stuff.

Starcraft: Brood War took almost nothing to render at 640x480 at 60+fps - slowdowns were pretty much unheard of.
Starcraft's minimum requirements.

Rendering a 2d or 2.5d game - using sprites, not models and shaders - should surely take very little power? I dont mean upscaling at all, i just mean natively rendering 3840x2160.

If a marine in Starcraft is 5 pixels by 10 pixels and display density is up 5x - you could make sprites that are 25x50 pixels and have it cover the same area for example.

If Starcraft could run 640x480 on a 90MHz pentium system with whatever qualified as a video card back when 90mhz pentiums were around, surely an OC'd 3570k + titan could render something using 27x as many pixels if you could get around the bandwidth issues for transmitting 3840x2160 at high framerates

Ah, gotcha, after the second attempt at reading comprehension...lack of sleep ftw!
I love 2.5d games tongue.gif I'm playing Ragnarok Online in my P4 rig while I wait for my 3770k and will probably continue to play it, and Baldur's Gate 2 from time to time.
It's perfectly doable, me thinks.
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I'm pretty sure most people who killed during a delid used the wrong type of razor blade. It's purely an assumption but I can't believe people killed their CPU delidding using the single sided, correct, razor blade (not a utility blade, not an exacto knife...).
See if you can use software like GTL or XTU and see how far you can take it at 1.3v. If you can get 5ghz or above on 1.3v with software tuning, it's a good chip worth delidding. If you can only do 4.7ghz@1.3v I don't think it's worth delidding as you'll maybe do 4.5-4.6 and only after a very high voltage.

What is Z87, and holy crap those god chips... i'd love to see what they can do 24 hour stable. Over 5ghz under 1.5v...



Pretty much what I used, not sure what it is called in english though.

Propably way too thick, even though there was no visual damage to the chip I think it propably bent the PCB too much and broke something inside.

ooooh my god lol.

See. This shouldn't even count as a failed delid. Yes, that is too thick, clearly in the OP it states you should use a razor blade. I really don't think it's possible to screw up a delid if you use the right razor blade.

it's okay, my first delid I used a utility razor blade instead of the correct, thinner blade. I didn't mess up my delid though still (the thicker blade just is way harder to stick in and you gotta work hard to make sure the blade stays flat, as it'll have a tendency to aim toward towards the PCB). I was sweating after delidding with the utility blade, but when I used the right razor blade it cut through like butter and took maybe 15 minutes.
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SLI has to deal with microstuttering, profiles, etc and also brings a lot of problems to screen capture for streaming programs etc - If you are trying to run a high resolution and FPS livestream and keep game framerates up, titan is a better option - and also if you want to avoid SLI/Xfire, it holds the title of strongest single GPU by quite some margins - it also has 6gb VRAM which is arguably useful at times when other cards are limited to something like 2gb per GPU which does not increase when you sli/xfire them

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ooooh my god lol.

See. This shouldn't even count as a failed delid. Yes, that is too thick, clearly in the OP it states you should use a razor blade. I really don't think it's possible to screw up a delid if you use the right razor blade.

it's okay, my first delid I used a utility razor blade instead of the correct, thinner blade. I didn't mess up my delid though still (the thicker blade just is way harder to stick in and you gotta work hard to make sure the blade stays flat, as it'll have a tendency to aim toward towards the PCB). I was sweating after delidding with the utility blade, but when I used the right razor blade it cut through like butter and took maybe 15 minutes.
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I'm not sure if you can even get that kind of blades in Finland, I guess I will have to check around when I go to town next time, never seen razor blades like that, like ever in person redface.gif

The blade on this thing is 0.6mm thick :l

Owell, no harm done (lol), lesson learned smile.gif
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Hi guys,


I am running my delidded 3570k @ 4.7GHz with 1.37V (CPUZ reports 1.39V though).

Obviously not a golden chip, I think I can not expect it to reach 5GHz staying under 1.45V (safe voltage limit I arbitrarily fixed).

Before I try to find a stable voltage for 4.8GHz, do you think I could improve some of my Asrock Z77E-ITX BIOS settings?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




2nd attempt whistle.gif
Any Asrock owners could tell me what they think about my settings? lilchronic, chronicfx?

If they are ok, what are the steps to switch from this fixed mode to the offset mode?
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If you go to offset you'll save a couple cents on your electric bill, lol. From what I know most people do use offset. You could also update your bios to the newest version. I think I saw someone with a ITX on 1.80 and that could help with overclocking or give you better stability. You could also disable C3, C6 and C State Support since SpeedStep and C1E are enabled the others don't need to be. 2cents.gif
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You could also disable C3, C6 and C State Support since SpeedStep and C1E are enabled the others don't need to be.
Great I will try that! Thx a lot +rep
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You could also update your bios to the newest version. I think I saw someone with a ITX on 1.80 and that could help with overclocking or give you better stability.
Yep, BIOS 1.80 is out but here I am kind of 'don't fix it if it works'. Especially since they removed 1.70 (without explanation) which was available couple of weeks ago. I might give 1.80 a try though to see If it lets me reduce the voltage without loosing stability.
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If you go to offset you'll save a couple cents on your electric bill, lol.
Yep, that's why I would like to use offset now.
Do I just have to find the offset voltage needed to match my current fixed voltage at load?
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Yep, BIOS 1.80 is out but here I am kind of 'don't fix it if it works'. Especially since they removed 1.70 (without explanation) which was available couple of weeks ago. I might give 1.80 a try though to see If it lets me reduce the voltage without loosing stability.
I'm the same way. I'm still on 2.70 for my board even tho 2.80 is out. It's not quite the leap like yours is tho. So for you it might help, and it could also do thing, lol.
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Yep, that's why I would like to use offset now.
Do I just have to find the offset voltage needed to match my current fixed voltage at load?
The offset voltage lets you adjust what your idle vcore is. For example I have mine at -0.055 and I idle at 0.978. It's different for every chip and I've seen some guys go all the way down to -0.095 and they idle'd at 0.920. If you need more voltage under load then you adjust the Additional Turbo Voltage as necessary. For that I have it as +0.193 with LLC2 and that gets me at 1.37-1.38 under load for 4.8ghz. Every chip is different tho so you might need less or more thumb.gif
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The offset voltage lets you adjust what your idle vcore is.
If you need more voltage under load then you adjust the Additional Turbo Voltage as necessary.

Ok, so offset voltage is for idle vcore and turbo voltage is for load vcore.

Is there a way to know what is the basis voltage in the BIOS or do I just need to set some offset/turbo and check in Windows what are the related idle/load vcores?

Also, how could I check if the resulting idle vcore is the right one?
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