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lol 4k as in resolution? Cause I could use a quad 7970 4k gaming rig. xD

Found this...seems like an interesting project!

LoL no as in 4000 USD into an 8350 rig lol.
    
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I would only spend 4000 on gpus and cooling if I could...and a good 120hz 3d ips monitor by Samsung (they have a lightboost hack of their own compatible with AMD gpus)
That would include a cascade for gpu and cpu cooling, and a Titan or a few 7970s lol

I'd happily bench with an 8350 though, paired with a CHV-Z and my psc ram, and maybe some Samsung D-rev and Hynix CFR sticks. thumb.gif
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Im not trying to look like a dummy but what is CLU mean?

Clear Liquid Ultra , a great non-conductive dust remover .poke.gif...

Congrats on the delid
Edited by martinhal - 3/11/13 at 11:02pm
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When you have a good chip, you need to push over 1.45v to really get the higher overclocks it's possible capable of. You actually need a GREAT chip to do ~5ghz@1.45-1.55v. If you have a golden chip you can do 5ghz without delidding possibly on a good water loop or high end air but that's talking like the best out of thousands.

Why have a water loop if you aren't going to push high voltages? Generally, people say 1.45-1.5v is the max for a delidded IB provided your temps are okay, but you can push from 1.5-1.6v if your temps are good. Be aware that 1.5-1.6v is quite dangerous, and if your cooling isn't up to snuff you'll do damage, and pushing around 1.55, 1.6v, is really getting into extreme voltages. So far there have been no reports of damage or degradation at even as high at 1.6v for 24/7 overclocks, but there are less than a dozen people who are really doing that.

Your current chip sounds terrible though, it doesn't sound like it's worth delidding. Sell it, use the money to get a new one, or exchange it, whatever. More than 50% of ivies can only do 4.5-4.6ghz on less than 1.45v, so don't feel bad.

Delidding can allow people to push higher overclocks if they have a good chip. Without delidding, it's impossible to really push far past 1.3v unless you have a custom water loop (i dont need to tell you how expensive those are). And no one has ever done anything above 4.7ghz on 1.3v or less, so to reach the higher ranges on ivy you have to delid. Even with a custom water loop, you are not going to be able to push far past 1.45v+, which is really a necessity for 5ghz (unless you got a golden chip).

Delidding has allowed me to push 5ghz@1.488v, and this is a great chip so it was worth delidding, otherwise on my nh-d14 cooling I'd only be able to do maybe 4.7ghz, and my temps would be even higher than what my 5ghz is when delidded. It may even be possible for me to push 5.1ghz on ~1.54v. On my last ivy, which is 24 hour prime95 stable at 4.6ghz @ 1.42v, the chip was terrible and delidding it wouldnt matter because temps werent the problem, stability was (or voltage, if you want to get down to it, and no I will not run a 4.7ghz on 1.55v at 90*C+, that's just not worth it).

your temps sound fine so you sound okay to run maybe up to 1.5v, but the problem is that running 1.5v on your $200+ custom water loop is going to have higher temps than me at 5.1ghz@1.55v. But your chip is definitely not worth pushing that much voltage through, nor is it worth delidding. You are having trouble just booting. For me there is about a .3-.4v difference in what I can boot, and what is 24 hour prime95 stable. So if you can't even boot 5ghz@1.5v, I'm pretty sure you'd need like 1.8v to be stable at 5ghz and that is just not going to happen lol...

Thanks for the explaination but I am not sure I understand,
You say my chip is terrible and you're not alone

but you also say 50% of the chips out there won't go past 4,5 -4,6 Ghz at 1,45V
Mine is stable at 4,8Ghz @ 1,45V

therefore I'd say it's better thant at least 50% of the chips out there, let's say 70% ??

That means, even if I sell/return it, and buy another one I just have 30% chances of getting a better one, and 70% of getting a worse one ?
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77% of all statistics are made on the fly...I say the most usual vcore for 4.5ghz from what I've seen is between 1.25v and 1.3v. More than that and that chip sucks BAD.
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mine runs stable at 4,6 @ 1,3V and 4,5 @ 1,25

And I can actually boot at 1,5V and 5Ghz, I runned a super PI 2M in 16 sec and them BSOD biggrin.gif

I just took this chart : https://docs.google.com/a/sitex-isolation.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AldAG0FCQxM-dHZuNTBOaUVKZlNlWDZQWFh4Y3dudmc&gid=39

and did some calculation with only the 3770K

average overclock is 4615,7Mhz with 1,291V
median is 4559,5Mhz with 1,280V

Seeing this I think I am in the middle, around 50% chances getting a worse chip, 50% getting a better chip.

Not sure my chip is THAT terrible, just average
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post #13597 of 33683
Yeah, told you so...xD

I'd get a new chip, and then delid it anyway.
I'd reccomend a 323xCxxxx batch one...3570k's are decent nowadays it seems.
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I have until the end of the week then 30 days return policy is over. rolleyes.gif

difficult
Edited by snowfree52 - 3/12/13 at 2:54am
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I have until the end of the week then 30 days return policy is over. rolleyes.gif

difficult

...not the be-all and end-all, just a quick test...at what vCore @ 5 GHz can you load and run Cinebench 11.5...? You can tell s.th. by a 'bug text' error message by Cinebench but not BSOD
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will try this when I get home

what V core should I definitely not go past ? 1,6V ?
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