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^ Some guy did conclusively test it. Forgot his name, he posts in this thread often and has some southpark avatar. Just google clu vs clp basically, he threw it up on anandtech forums too.
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Originally Posted by ryboto View Post

So, I'm thermally limited, I believe, and am considering delidding.... right now I can do 4.5ghz with 1.18vcore, but going up my temps climb pretty fast. I need some encouragement to go for it and rip the top off....

If I do, is the consensus to use Liquid Pro between the IHS and die?

Think of it like this man..."I need to look like Arnold but not sure if I should use steroids, humpf". tongue.gif
We got the whole workout club crew in here it seems. thumb.gif

You got a pretty good chip it seems, try to see how much juice it needs to boot at 5ghz and run superpi 32m without errors. If it's below 1.4v you should definitely delid it.
And yeah, try either Liquid Pro or Ultra on the die. I prefer Pro after trying out both, cause Pro is easier to spread and the syringe comes with a useful needle that can help in case you go overboard and need to suck some paste back in the tube.
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

And yeah, try either Liquid Pro or Ultra on the die. I prefer Pro after trying out both, cause Pro is easier to spread and the syringe comes with a useful needle that can help in case you go overboard and need to suck some paste back in the tube.
Thanks for reminding me about that.
The syringe on Ultra is big, it is very easy to squeeze out too much - way too much for the die in fact. The easiest way to deal with this in my opinion is to carefully push the ultra to the end of the syringe without any actually coming out. Then dip in the included brush, just to get a little bit on it, and then paint the die.
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I think if you're stuck with a chip that doesn't overclock well and gets high temps under load like mine did, it's still worth delliding just to have it run cooler so I can run a quieter system.
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MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT BEWARE! AND I WARNED YOU! tongue.gif

First off sorry for my absence I have been sick and am on spring break and decided to take a few days away from people and go snow camping by sleeping in my own man made igloo and go cross country snowkiting (google it) tongue.gif

didn't quite expect 270 posts though! biggrin.gif

Secondly, Congratz to all the approved new additions to the club here! thumb.gif Job well done all of you! applaud.gif

NOW READ MAH WALL OF TEXT!!! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

I found doing the above plus applying some isopropyl alcohol to the PCB also helped to get the glue off.

A credit card that is around a year old and nice and warm from your buttox really does wonders as:

1. It's already maliable from being warm and somewhat used.
2. Has a nice good edge that can't harm the traces nor the PCB in any way, I used a credit card myself as well, worked beautifully.
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

...the joys of deliddedness...biggrin.gif

...as tricky as delidding can be, it certainly has its upsides...when I was first sent to this thread by PCWargamer, I thought these folks are 'nuts'...better get a chastity belt for my CPU socket before I do something stupid - like take a razor blade to a perfectly good CPU that ran fast at low 'v' @ 5GHz plus...

...well, I did something stupid, and there was also blood, a few scratches and divine intervention smile.gif What it did was to unleash a whole new performance envelope because now I could deal with temps when doing extensive, longer bench runs...a few more investments (ROG Maximums V Extreme, custom water loop etc) enabled more performance - but by far the biggest 'enabler for the results below' was the delidding...so thanks Valgaur for running a nice thread with great info which really helped get me there...smile.gif

...joined HWBot just two days ago, and yet got well over 20 world records in the enthusiast class for my video setup, though some extended beyond that...most of the time, my scores are smack in the middle of overclocked 680ies and 7970ies - and thanks to delidding, I can now compete against 3930ies 6 core / 12 thread machines running @ 5 GHz. biggrin.gif

The best part is that in those two days, I got over a 100 points for the Overclock.net team at HWbot ...a few more runs left for tomorrow - and this system is not yet fully maxed as I have to lap and straighten out a slightly crooked IHS, not to mention one of the 4 GPUs which really should be RMA'ed because of power leakage and does not perform well at all...mad.gif

...so if you are considering delidding, carefully study the process, cost and benefits - and ENJOY the outcome (hopefully)...either way, best of luck thumb.gif


About time I see someone posts some great results from their delidding and what they really did with it besides getting a good OC and amazing temps! Very nicely done sir! thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by TonicX View Post

Attention: Valgaur
I officially submit my information data for [Official] Delidded Ivy Bridge Club Membership:

OCN name: ................ TonicX
CPU: .......................... i3770K
on die-TIM: ................. CoolLaboratory Ultra
ihs-TIM: ..................... CoolLaboratory Ultra
Mhz gained: ............... 400.1 MgHz
OC after delid: ............ 5200.1 MgHz
Temp drops: ............... 15* [ Hottest Core #3 before = 81* after = 66* @4500 intel burn test]
CPU-Z validation of max OC: .... http://valid.canardpc.com/2726703

Additionally, I Lapped the IHS completely flat top and bottom starting with 360 and 400 then 800 finally 1600 sandpaper.

I am looking forward to active participation in this Forum. I will freely share any other delidded data with you and those in persuit of performance!

Attachment 1
> OCN name on a piece.JPG
Attachment 2
> 4500 pre delid.JPG
Attachment 3
> 4500 post delid.JPG
Attachment 4
> 5200.1_OCmax_TonicX.JPG




You're In! thumb.gif Add This new Sig to your Sig list already!
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Originally Posted by stickg1 View Post

Where's Val and Swag?

Was wondering when someone would miss me! tongue.gif I believe he is still sick, Swag that is.
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Originally Posted by Rucka315 View Post

So i decided to jump the gun and try deliding my 3770k and i am really happy i did. I forgot to take a pic of my before temps but i have my after temps and i can say its a huge decrease per core in temperature.
I was kinda scared when i turned the machine back on to see the same temps as before idle but as soon as i cranked up some Prime95 the new TIM kicked in amazingly. Here are my pics from my work and my new temps.

Temps before deliding were 89c 95c 96c 92c some times it would spike to almost 100c.

OCN name: Rucka315
CPU: 3770k
on die-TIM: Noctua NT-H1
ihs-TIM: Noctua NT-H1
Mhz gained: none
OC after delid: 4.8ghz
Temp drops: 25c or more

If you have any questions go ahead and ask i am willing to answer what ever i can.





You're In! thumb.gif Slap that new sig onto your list!
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Originally Posted by Rucka315 View Post

Yet again i cleaned the socket and whipped/blew out the dust before putting back in the cooler any non trolls on this site damn.

Sorry about that lol sometimes we get heated up and snap at some people here, just take it as advice if you ever see posts like that on here, usually thats how it's meant to be.
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Originally Posted by Rucka315 View Post

Ok thanks all for the congrats i got scared that it was going to be nothing but trolls clowing my dust lol. I'm currently working on a 5ghz oc wish me luck im really close to getting a stable vcore.

Hurry up on that CPUZ for the 5 giggles already! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by TonicX View Post

Attention Moderators:
in reference to my submission-
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club/13520#post_19492508

I have a cpu-z validation with my correct username @:

http://valid.canardpc.com/2726957

Thanks-alot! I could not have done it with-out you!thumb.gif

Gots it! thumb.gif ATLEAST SOMEONE TELLS ME THEY WANT AN UPDATE FOR MAX OC IN HERE! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by snowfree52 View Post

Thanks for the explaination but I am not sure I understand,
You say my chip is terrible and you're not alone

but you also say 50% of the chips out there won't go past 4,5 -4,6 Ghz at 1,45V
Mine is stable at 4,8Ghz @ 1,45V

therefore I'd say it's better thant at least 50% of the chips out there, let's say 70% ??

That means, even if I sell/return it, and buy another one I just have 30% chances of getting a better one, and 70% of getting a worse one ?

Completely agree with you here. no way 50% are that high of voltages, The average for 4.5-4.7 is around 1.25-1.3 for 4.5 and around 1.4-1.43 vcore for 4.7 on here. It's all a huge lottery for chips lately with the vcore so it's all up to you really, honestl for a normal gaming rig and nothing crazy I'd run your current OC and be happy with it and get some nice good temp drops, but thas just my thoughts as the Captain tongue.gif Just remember it's your rig, it's ment to please you (shut up, I know what you thought there!) not others.
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

OCN name: Belial88
CPU: i7-3770k
on die-TIM: CLU
ihs-TIM: CLU
Mhz gained: ~200mhz
OC after delid: 5ghz@1.488v (1.499DMM)
Temp drops: ~23*C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/2727595

34 Hours Prime95 Custom Blend 80%+ Ram Tested, Above Normal Priority, no Kerneal/Logger WHEA errors.





Now fold for a month straight and then i'll be impressed with that stress test, not being mean but prime does mean crap to me.

Anyways tongue.gif You're In! thumb.gif Slap that Sig on now! Nice temp drops by the way.
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Originally Posted by clayer View Post

hi. can you add me please.

delidded and lapped liquid pro on all surfaces currently at 4.7oc max temp late 50s

custom loop 1x360 2x240 1x120/twin d5 res combo.

Add you how? You're missing half the stuff I need sill! first page of the thread has what you need to fill out, or atlas give me your temp drops and your CPUZ for max OC, all in one post please, almost 14K posts here, not hunting through them all tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by RavageTheEarth View Post

Haha this made me lol. Yes it is ok you BETTER buy an anti stattic bracelet though. I refuse to touch anything in my computer without one. Even if you are wearing gloves there could be a rip in one and you can still send some static to your $330 chip. Id pay $5 for one if I were you.

Any type of rubber touching a human body immediately gets rid of any type of static in the body so a tear isn't a problem at all, also you get better control with being able to actually touch every side of the CPU when you have those gloves on. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by justanoldman View Post

I avoid touching the underside of the chip at all times. If you are not wearing gloves your hands always have dirt, oil, and dead skin cells on them. Even if you are, I always feel more comfortable handling the chip by the edges.

Same with myself except while wearing those gloves I don't have any issues with touching the bottom but I still try to keep it at a minimum biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Solonowarion View Post

Ok thanks. Yeh I got gloves and anti stat strap. Just building up the courage to do it.

Wel hurry up and Make your CPU seemed loved and make it run nice and cool! Then it will love you right back! wink.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solonowarion View Post

Any use a heat gun to warm up the glue to slizice it easier?

By the time you could be able to hold it and try not to over heat the silicon and not ruin the CPU it's way beyond worth it, besides the glue is meant to handle crazy heat as it is.
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Originally Posted by stickg1 View Post

A lot of fresh fish in the Delidded Thread lately, I like it. Happy Delidding!

I like it as well! Lots of fresh blood! wait.... I mean new members! yessir.gif
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Originally Posted by RavageTheEarth View Post

Congrats to everyone who has successfully delidded recently! Its not an aesy thing to achieve. Especially the first time!

Glad you're finally in here sir! thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by lilchronic View Post

im prime95 stable @ 5 ghz with 1.36v-1.38v, but i need 1.39v - 1.41v. to be completley whea error free. last time i hade a whea error was when crysis 3 came out. since i mostly got them from gaming Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

My reason why I hate prime as a stability test, people tote 24+ hour runs and then play a game for 30 minutes and then say I need more vcore I guess and then re prime. How about people learn what real stability is and what you really need it for. Sorry that's my grumble for the day tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

^ Some guy did conclusively test it. Forgot his name, he posts in this thread often and has some southpark avatar. Just google clu vs clp basically, he threw it up on anandtech forums too.

it's in the OP for a reason in the list of TIM's and their heat movement.
TO ALL THE PEOPLE I DIDNT GET WITH THEIR SUBMISSIONS TO THIS CLUB LET ME KNOW! tongue.gif

Also if their was anything I missed int he last 260-300 posts that needs my attention let me know lol tongue.gif
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^ bleh. dunno about that. You'd be lucky to get 100-200mhz out of your chip if you delid a bad overclocker, and that's only after pushing extreme voltages. I could either do 4.4ghz @ 1.33v, which is still an insane voltage for just 4.4, or give it up to about 1.5v for 4.6ghz.

I mean to do that, you'd need to spend WAY more money on a motherboard, WAY more on cooling, it's just not worth it.

I got 2 computers

on my bad chip, I spent $30 on an nzxt havik heatsink (and even that I'd say is too much money spent), $20 on a crap motherboard that was on sale (it's a really, really bad board, holy crap are msi boards terrible quality, you can just tell by feeling it compared to another one, but hard to beat $20)... no extra fans, nothing else. It isn't worth spending a ton of money for a board to push more voltage, a better cooler, accessory fans and pastes and stuff for cooling, on a chip that *might* get 100,200mhz only after you push an insane voltage through it.

on my good chip, I spent $80 on a z77x-ud5h, a high quality motherboard, $43 on an nh-d14, $30 on another 140mm fan, $10 on CLU, $20 on extra case fans... and it's definitely worth spending ~$150 for a cpu that can push a good 400mhz further on a delid and good cooling and good motherboard.
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Now fold for a month straight and then i'll be impressed with that stress test, not being mean but prime does mean crap to me.

Anyways You're In! Slap that Sig on now! Nice temp drops by the way.

Folding for a month vs Prime95 for a month? Surely prime95 is a better stress test right?

If folding is a good stress test, I'd love to try it out. I think I've mentioned it before, but Folding is a bunch of crap and meaningless (according to a few friends of mine who actually work in protein folding and structural biology and the reputation pande has in the field as a sort of... not sure, it's like the guy from angry birds taking credit and being on the front cover of a cpu architecture journal). They said if their boss caught them running folding@home they'd get in a lot of trouble lol. Like pande isn't respected by more established guys in the field.
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MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT BEWARE! AND I WARNED YOU! tongue.gif

First off sorry for my absence I have been sick and am on spring break and decided to take a few days away from people and go snow camping by sleeping in my own man made igloo and go cross country snowkiting (google it) tongue.gif

didn't quite expect 270 posts though! biggrin.gif

Secondly, Congratz to all the approved new additions to the club here! thumb.gif Job well done all of you! applaud.gif

NOW READ MAH WALL OF TEXT!!! tongue.gif
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A credit card that is around a year old and nice and warm from your buttox really does wonders as:

1. It's already maliable from being warm and somewhat used.
2. Has a nice good edge that can't harm the traces nor the PCB in any way, I used a credit card myself as well, worked beautifully.
About time I see someone posts some great results from their delidding and what they really did with it besides getting a good OC and amazing temps! Very nicely done sir! thumb.gif
You're In! thumb.gif Add This new Sig to your Sig list already!
Was wondering when someone would miss me! tongue.gif I believe he is still sick, Swag that is.
You're In! thumb.gif Slap that new sig onto your list!
Sorry about that lol sometimes we get heated up and snap at some people here, just take it as advice if you ever see posts like that on here, usually thats how it's meant to be.
Hurry up on that CPUZ for the 5 giggles already! tongue.gif
Gots it! thumb.gif ATLEAST SOMEONE TELLS ME THEY WANT AN UPDATE FOR MAX OC IN HERE! tongue.gif
Completely agree with you here. no way 50% are that high of voltages, The average for 4.5-4.7 is around 1.25-1.3 for 4.5 and around 1.4-1.43 vcore for 4.7 on here. It's all a huge lottery for chips lately with the vcore so it's all up to you really, honestl for a normal gaming rig and nothing crazy I'd run your current OC and be happy with it and get some nice good temp drops, but thas just my thoughts as the Captain tongue.gif Just remember it's your rig, it's ment to please you (shut up, I know what you thought there!) not others.
Now fold for a month straight and then i'll be impressed with that stress test, not being mean but prime does mean crap to me.

Anyways tongue.gif You're In! thumb.gif Slap that Sig on now! Nice temp drops by the way.
Add you how? You're missing half the stuff I need sill! first page of the thread has what you need to fill out, or atlas give me your temp drops and your CPUZ for max OC, all in one post please, almost 14K posts here, not hunting through them all tongue.gif
Any type of rubber touching a human body immediately gets rid of any type of static in the body so a tear isn't a problem at all, also you get better control with being able to actually touch every side of the CPU when you have those gloves on. tongue.gif
Same with myself except while wearing those gloves I don't have any issues with touching the bottom but I still try to keep it at a minimum biggrin.gif
Wel hurry up and Make your CPU seemed loved and make it run nice and cool! Then it will love you right back! wink.gif
By the time you could be able to hold it and try not to over heat the silicon and not ruin the CPU it's way beyond worth it, besides the glue is meant to handle crazy heat as it is.
I like it as well! Lots of fresh blood! wait.... I mean new members! yessir.gif
Glad you're finally in here sir! thumb.gif
My reason why I hate prime as a stability test, people tote 24+ hour runs and then play a game for 30 minutes and then say I need more vcore I guess and then re prime. How about people learn what real stability is and what you really need it for. Sorry that's my grumble for the day tongue.gif
it's in the OP for a reason in the list of TIM's and their heat movement.
TO ALL THE PEOPLE I DIDNT GET WITH THEIR SUBMISSIONS TO THIS CLUB LET ME KNOW! tongue.gif

Also if their was anything I missed int he last 260-300 posts that needs my attention let me know lol tongue.gif

Valgaur is back...yeah ! Glad you enjoyed your snow camping and snow-kiting ! We wanted to go camping a couple weekends back in the mountains near Whistler, but off the main runs it's all severe avalanche warnings, as it is in much of British Columbia right now....thanks for your comments on my hwbot runs above...I only delidded in the first place to go fast, and I mean more than reading emails @ 5+ giggles...

btw, snow-kiting must be fun in North Dakota - lots of icy winds helmetsmiley.pngbiggrin.gif
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sonic.gif ...that's why I suggested to snowfree52 to run Cinebench earlier - with a vcore cap on - it tells you very quickly whether your chip can sustain demanding operations at a given speed....a good range finder in my book to start dialing in a system before fine tuning and longer-runs of stress-testing via XTU.

...for snowfree52, this won't be an easy decision because his chip is certainly not a bad one - just not as good as he wants to be to run 5 GHz sustained. The question is whether the next chip he gets will be better or worse...if you have a chance to ask the retailer to line up 3770K boxes, try to go for 'Costa Rica' series 3229C or later...good luck thumb.gif

I guess I would need something around 1,6-1,65V to run cinebench at 5Ghz.

with my actual chip, max I can do is 4,6 @ 1,30V
4,8 needs 1,45V and I don't want that 24/24 even if stable.

I already ordered a new chip and I hope it's better than mine.

Still, the new one should arrive on Thursday or Friday and I have to send my actual chip before end of saturday, that means hopefully I have friday enening to test the new chip and decide wich one I send back on saturday redface.gif

My batch number on the actual chip is : 3240C294 from costa rica
and my friend's batch (his chip was hot as hell, so he returned it too) : 3228B967
Edited by snowfree52 - 3/12/13 at 11:44pm
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^ bleh. dunno about that. You'd be lucky to get 100-200mhz out of your chip if you delid a bad overclocker, and that's only after pushing extreme voltages. I could either do 4.4ghz @ 1.33v, which is still an insane voltage for just 4.4, or give it up to about 1.5v for 4.6ghz.

I mean to do that, you'd need to spend WAY more money on a motherboard, WAY more on cooling, it's just not worth it.
My point is that delidding is stil beneficial if you have a bad chip under certain circumstances. If you already have high temperatures to begin with (like I did) and you can't swap the chip over for a better one and are stuck with it (like I was) then there is still an advantage in delidding just to get the lower temperatures even if you don't get any actual overclock gain. For some 4.2 or 4.3GHz is enough of an existing performance gain for what they do with their PC. Delidding (provided you don't screw it up) is a cheap cooling upgrade. I went from 91C to 60C and probably would needed to invest $300 in a custom water cooling loop to get a similar reduction. In doing so I've probably gained a 10dB reduction in cooling noise by being able to run my fans slower, which is totally worth it.
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