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Folding for a month vs Prime95 for a month? Surely prime95 is a better stress test right?

If folding is a good stress test, I'd love to try it out. I think I've mentioned it before, but Folding is a bunch of crap and meaningless (according to a few friends of mine who actually work in protein folding and structural biology and the reputation pande has in the field as a sort of... not sure, it's like the guy from angry birds taking credit and being on the front cover of a cpu architecture journal). They said if their boss caught them running folding@home they'd get in a lot of trouble lol. Like pande isn't respected by more established guys in the field.

As a family member who has had a few deaths in the family due to Cancer and other diseases and not having the financial means to donate money to the cure of those diseases, yet having a high end compuper, It makes me feel good to try and contribute to helping other members of my family to hope fully be better treated from those diseases.

On the stability side, F@H is much more intensive as each wu you get or test I guess you can call them are each different even though the numbers are the name the stress is different due to the differences in the proteins and the 3d modeling and how your CPU handles each one. That's why through all of the possible tests you can get through on folding it's a much better testing platform than prime.
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Valgaur is back...yeah ! Glad you enjoyed your snow camping and snow-kiting ! We wanted to go camping a couple weekends back in the mountains near Whistler, but off the main runs it's all severe avalanche warnings, as it is in much of British Columbia right now....thanks for your comments on my hwbot runs above...I only delidded in the first place to go fast, and I mean more than reading emails @ 5+ giggles...

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Anyway, does a CPU need a break in or does it deliver full power out of the box ?
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5.1ghz takes too much voltage. I can pass prime95 probably for 24 hours on like around 1.48v but i get whea errors and i was still getting whea errors within 10 minutes at 1.54v so i'm going to stick with 5ghz@1.499.

If I had a better cooler, like a high end closed loop (lq320, kraken 240), i would do it but it's not worth getting such an expensive cooler for just 100mhz to push an extreme voltage.

Sorry guys.
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Anyway, does a CPU need a break in or does it deliver full power out of the box ?

no break in.
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As a family member who has had a few deaths in the family due to Cancer and other diseases and not having the financial means to donate money to the cure of those diseases, yet having a high end compuper, It makes me feel good to try and contribute to helping other members of my family to hope fully be better treated from those diseases.

Im not going to get into this publicly. If you want me to tell you why folding is the wrong way to do this, PM me.

Although, folding might be relevant for parkinsons.
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On the stability side, F@H is much more intensive as each wu you get or test I guess you can call them are each different even though the numbers are the name the stress is different due to the differences in the proteins and the 3d modeling and how your CPU handles each one. That's why through all of the possible tests you can get through on folding it's a much better testing platform than prime.

How long does that take, to run through all the possible tests?
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My point is that delidding is stil beneficial if you have a bad chip under certain circumstances. If you already have high temperatures to begin with (like I did) and you can't swap the chip over for a better one and are stuck with it (like I was) then there is still an advantage in delidding just to get the lower temperatures even if you don't get any actual overclock gain. For some 4.2 or 4.3GHz is enough of an existing performance gain for what they do with their PC. Delidding (provided you don't screw it up) is a cheap cooling upgrade. I went from 91C to 60C and probably would needed to invest $300 in a custom water cooling loop to get a similar reduction. In doing so I've probably gained a 10dB reduction in cooling noise by being able to run my fans slower, which is totally worth it.

I delidded my bad chip, but that's because I enjoy delidding and I see very little risk. The temps were very low, the overclock is low. Rationally, it was not a good decision, but i did it for fun. You should be able to do 4.4-4.6ghz no matter how bad your chip is or your aftermarket cooler is though. What overclock were you running?
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Ok finally got 4.6Ghz pretty stable. No WHEA errors or p95 errors in the six and a half hours I ran it. So I'm just going to call this my before picture with mx4 on the die. I'm 90% sure my CLU will be here today so I'll have an after picture posted tomorrow so you can see the difference between temps. I still need to do an extended 23 hour run, but I'll wait on doing that because I actually feel like doing a little gaming.

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And to see how good your chip is and if it's worth delidding - boot at 1.3v. Then, use a software program to overclock your cpu - if you can hit 5ghz without crashing in 10 seconds, you got a decent chip. If you can do 5.1, it's an amazing chip (for reference, I have 5ghz@1.49v 34+ hours of prime95 stable, but I cannot get to 5.1ghz). If you can only do 4.6, 4.7, then it's a bad chip. 4.8 isn't really worth delidding unless you really want to, 4.9, sure.

I'll give it a try when I get home. I can do 4.6ghz, testing at the moment. Was promising last night for the 3 hours I had it going, but I'll know for sure tonight. I imagine I'll thermally throttle with that voltage and frequency, you don't think so?
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I like ultra since it comes with brushes, and it is a little easier to handle. I am not sure anyone has shown conclusively which is better thermally between pro and ultra.

If 4.5 is really stable at 1.18 that is a good chip and probably worth delidding. If you have done your research, prepared yourself properly, and can afford a new chip should the worst happen, you should definitely do it. My second chip isn't even that good, but I delidded so I could go from 4.6 to 4.8 and measurably reduce my temps.

I've delidded CPUs in the past, so I'm not too too worried. I am truly stable at that frequency and voltage, but with my cooler and case, I don't have the best temperatures, and I don't plan on investing in anything more extravagant.

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Think of it like this man..."I need to look like Arnold but not sure if I should use steroids, humpf". tongue.gif
We got the whole workout club crew in here it seems. thumb.gif

You got a pretty good chip it seems, try to see how much juice it needs to boot at 5ghz and run superpi 32m without errors. If it's below 1.4v you should definitely delid it.
And yeah, try either Liquid Pro or Ultra on the die. I prefer Pro after trying out both, cause Pro is easier to spread and the syringe comes with a useful needle that can help in case you go overboard and need to suck some paste back in the tube.

I'll give it a try. If it does indeed boot and completes pi, I'll probably be too tempted not to do it!
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will surgical gloves protect the chip from static ? i don't know where to get an anti static bracelet where i live and can't get it online
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will surgical gloves protect the chip from static ? i don't know where to get an anti static bracelet where i live and can't get it online
Yes, and they protect the chip from whatever is on your hands. Make sure to delid on a nonconductive surface, even with gloves I wouldn't want to do it on a metal desk or table.
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Yes, and they protect the chip from whatever is on your hands. Make sure to delid on a nonconductive surface, even with gloves I wouldn't want to do it on a metal desk or table.

i'm planing to do it on an A4 printing paper, good ?
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Intel Core i7 3770K De-Lidded w/CLU @ 4.6 GHz ASUS Z77 TUF Sabertooth 2x Asus GTX 1080 Strix 8GB @ 2100/11000 MHZ SLI 2x Kingston Hyper-X Beast 8GB DDR3 @ 2200 MHz 
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Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD Western Digital 60EZRX 6TB 5400RPM HDD Samsung SH-S203N 20X LightScribe DVD RW Corsair H100i + 4x CM 120mm @ Push/Pull 
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5x CM 120mm + 1x CM 230mm + 1x NZXT 140mm Windows 10 x64 Samsung UA50JS7200R 50'' 4K SUHD HDR Smart TV Gigabyte Aivia Osmium 
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Seasonic X-Series Gold 850W Cooler Master HAF 932 Gigabyte Aivia Krypton CM Storm Speed-RX S 
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Creative SB X-FI Titanium Fatality Pro Edifier S760D 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound System Corsair Vengeance 2100 Wireless 7.1 Gaming Headset Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless Gamepad + Receiver 
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MSI Star PCI-E USB 3.0 Hub  
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I broke 10.20 on cinebench lastnight all-time personal best, ever, ... on any machine, ... in reality! really.wink.gif
but that was way out too high and too hot for long animation renders(Why I need this chip- besides C.O.D.) learned alot with the asus ai2 OC gui but I dialed in 4900 @ 1.4 hard into the BIOS for a solid start and render client render beast. clockin, in the upper 60's lower 70's this is where i would like to be operating on long rendering. also i am happy with the intel turbo that tunes it all down when idle.

Thank guys for the good info on delidding, i took your advice: (1) research before you leap (2) test your chip before diving in, (3) use a THIN razor or wait till you get one (4) order some Cool Laboratory Ultra to make your chip happy(cool) as possable., not ready?... refer to advice (1).

the numbers tell me it was a success! I love to Modify stuff for less weight, aesthetics, easy access, whatever. THIS MOD .. is for performance and It literally will cut seconds, minutes and hours off of my render times.

Now I just need one more Ivy Bridge and my system will be complete... "Whoosh-whoosh of air respirator... Don,Don,Don,Don,Don,Don,Don,Don,"
   
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Intel® Core™ i7-3770K Processor - Delidded - Co... P8Z77-M PRO Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 Kingston HyperX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDR... 
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Pyro 60GB SATA III 2.5(PP60GS25SSDR) no Hydro Series™ H60 High Performance Liquid CPU C... Windows 8 Professional 64bit 
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ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor 
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Gaming Keyboard G105: Made for Call of Duty® CORSAIR CX 750 M Modular Power Supply INLAND PS_301 GENERAL ELECTRIC OPTICAL MOUSE 
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Microcenter Mouse Pad  CA 
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 EP45-UD3LR NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 OCZ  
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Intel® Core™ i7-3770K Processor - Delidded - Co... P8Z77-M PRO Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 Kingston HyperX 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDR... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Pyro 60GB SATA III 2.5(PP60GS25SSDR) no Hydro Series™ H60 High Performance Liquid CPU C... Windows 8 Professional 64bit 
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor ACER X223W LCD Monitor 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Gaming Keyboard G105: Made for Call of Duty® CORSAIR CX 750 M Modular Power Supply INLAND PS_301 GENERAL ELECTRIC OPTICAL MOUSE 
Mouse PadAudio
Microcenter Mouse Pad  CA 
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 EP45-UD3LR NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 OCZ  
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