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Originally Posted by RavageTheEarth View Post

Ok guys I have something really wierd (and scary) that I have just discovered. On my AsRock Z77 Extreme4 I am at 4.8Ghz stress testing right now using Level 2 LLC with +.010 offset and .102 additional turbo boost. CPU-z is reporting 1.36v, but I just used my DMM on the voltage points on the back of the board and it reads 1.46v! Temps have maxed out at 73c and I'm on test 12 of the 8k test I think. I'm going to try Level 5 LLC and see if that helps. I am using 20 DCV on my DMM is that the right setting? This cant be right.

EDIT: I just stopped the test and checked my voltage during idle and it was about 1.05 so that means this is correct (about .03 off), right? My BIOS reads 1.08 vcore. CPU-z reads .960 vcore at the desktop.

Most ASRock Z77 boards report the voltage through software inaccurate. Multi-meter is the way to go. But yeah, not weird or scary, almost common knowledge with the Extreme4.
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I was not referring to using AI Suite to test an overclock or to tweak things for benching, I was pointing out that his BCLK is 104.2 which is what usually happens when you use TurboEVO to auto set an overclock. You apparently think that Asus knows so much about their boards that bios is stupid, and us spending time to manually set it up, and test all the settings is pointless. Sure let's just delete all the guides here and everyone just use TurboEVO to magically and automatically find our perfect overclocks for 24/7 stability. Thanks, what I great idea, I sure am stupid. Thanks for pointing out how stupid and inexperienced I am.

I have only been here a few months, but that was by far the most condescending post I have read. Wow, you worked in your HWBot again, what is that 25 posts now?

...are you sure you want to go there ? It is you who is condescending to the poster who showed a screenshot of Ai Suite.....and others...

First, Asus knows a lot about their boards and the bios they issue - more than anyone here...

Second, I have only been here a few months longer than you, though I have background on hardware and software that started in the 90ies, and do this professionally.

Third, BCLK clocking can be very effective as long as the range has been checked in prior tests - especially when you are near 'the wall' when an extra step in the multiplier calls for too much extra vCore...one of the OCN Editors (and absolute world record holder on a particular CPU top speed) actually wrote a good post about it a few days ago on this thread...so best argue with him

Fourth, as to your "wow, you worked in your HWBot again, what is that 25 posts now?"...Aha, the dead give-away ...

I only did the records on the weekend...in grand total (excluding this post) I only have done 13 posts altogether on anything in this thread since then. I reported on the HWbot results once, then reacted to Valgaur's congrats (though did not myself mention HWbot), so that just leaves my earlier posts to you - a grand-total of 3, not 25..and 2 of the 3 were responses...... it just seems to loom larger in your head
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Originally Posted by justanoldman View Post

I was not referring to using AI Suite to test an overclock or to tweak things for benching,

I was pointing out that his BCLK is 104.2 which is what usually happens when you use TurboEVO to auto set an overclock.

You apparently think that Asus knows so much about their boards that bios is stupid, and us spending time to manually set it up, and test all the settings is pointless. Sure let's just delete all the guides here and everyone just use TurboEVO to magically and automatically find our perfect overclocks for 24/7 stability. Thanks, what I great idea, I sure am stupid. Thanks for pointing out how stupid and inexperienced I am.

I have only been here a few months, but that was by far the most condescending post I have read. Wow, you worked in your HWBot again, what is that 25 posts now?

You are in error: the BCLK of 104.2 is set in my bios. At 47x It gives me my 4900MgHz or 4897 to be exact that i like for rendering CINEMA 4D. AND the Freq : 5523.02 MHz (104.21 * 53) for the tag
5.5GHz Ivy 3770K
If you assumed i used the auto clock feature your wrong, but thats ok you are right about that feature being junk, for serious OCers anyway.

But my question remains WHY wont you use BCLK on ivy?
devil.gifIF IT AINT BROKE THEN YOU DIDN'T OVERCLOCK IT ENOUGHTdevil.gif
just kidding

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...are you sure you want to go there ?
"Go there?" Seriously? Wow you are a legend in your own mind, why in the world would I care?

None of what you posted has much to do with a stable, safe, 24/7 overclock. If you want to tell people to use software to set auto overclocks that raise BCLK then be my guest.

Is there a moderator here that can delete all my posts please? They are all condescending and not at helpful according to my all knowing friend here. Thanks. Don't worry won't be posting about it again.
Time=money, and this is not worth my money.
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ivanlabrie wrote ...One thing, 3930/3960/3970x are SB architecture...SB degrades really easily over 1.45v, so no go.
You could only pull 1.6v on cold, and they won't go far, haven't seen any over 5.6ghz.
Nice! Good luck with the LP. have fun wink.gif

...you are right, and I also know this is a bit late in the game for Sandy-E (though the new one has been apparently delayed until Q4). But we need either an 8c/16t Xeon for the application in question (that also involves a lot of encryption) or a really fast 6c/12T 3970X...I obviously have not tried it yet, but from what I have seen, with them it is also about great cooling (150w watt rating out of the box)...apparently it will hit 5.2 at under 1.5v with a strong custom water loop, and with some more enhanced cooling, I have seen some numbers that suggest 5.4 giggles at 1.55...just wondering whether the 15 mb cache will allow for that kind of thing...besides, I do not want to break it as it really will be put to work. biggrin.gif
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I'd use BCLK for benching or HWBot but not for doing something where long term stability is paramount. It effects too many different clock rates in your system. It is also notorious for corrupting your OS if you push it too far. I don't particularly like using it because I use my PC primarily for gaming and don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything for a few tens of MHz. If I was a bencher with a stripped OS I would mess with it more. 100-105 BCLK is fine, anything more and you're asking for trouble.
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"Go there?" Seriously? Wow you are a legend in your own mind, why in the world would I care?

None of what you posted has much to do with a stable, safe, 24/7 overclock. If you want to tell people to use software to set auto overclocks that raise BCLK then be my guest.

Is there a moderator here that can delete all my posts please? They are all condescending and not at helpful according to my all knowing friend here. Thanks. Don't worry won't be posting about it again.
Time=money, and this is not worth my money.

....problems with the facts, I guess. I have never, ever advised anyone on setting 'auto overclocks', and I feel I have done a lot to show folks the benefits on Intel's own XTU, including stability tests - the very same the professionals use. Good luck...
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Originally Posted by stickg1 View Post

I'd use BCLK for benching or HWBot but not for doing something where long term stability is paramount. It effects too many different clock rates in your system. It is also notorious for corrupting your OS if you push it too far. I don't particularly like using it because I use my PC primarily for gaming and don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything for a few tens of MHz. If I was a bencher with a stripped OS I would mess with it more. 100-105 BCLK is fine, anything more and you're asking for trouble.

Good to know - thanks for some science. That's really useful. +rep
   
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I go away for 12 hours and come back to 80 new posts, this thread is pretty popular biggrin.gif
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....problems with the facts, I guess. I have never, ever advised anyone on setting 'auto overclocks', and I feel I have done a lot to show folks the benefits on Intel's own XTU, including stability tests - the very same the professionals use. Good luck...
Tried using Intel XTU but could find where to adjust the VCore. Would appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction.
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I delidded my bad chip, but that's because I enjoy delidding and I see very little risk. The temps were very low, the overclock is low. Rationally, it was not a good decision, but i did it for fun. You should be able to do 4.4-4.6ghz no matter how bad your chip is or your aftermarket cooler is though. What overclock were you running?
I was running 4.3GHz @ 1.2V and still getting in the mid 80s under Prime95 and IBT. I now get temps in the high 50s / low 60s doing the same runs, so delidding has definitely being worth it for me despite having a bad chip that needs a lot of voltage. Was doing some 3DMark benchmarks last night for submission to HWBot and had to run 1.55V to achieve 4.9GHz stable in 3DMark frown.gif Haven't found my 24/7 stable voltage for 4.5GHz or 4.6GHz yet but I know it is going to be somewhere between 1.3-1.45V as it was still crashing at 1.29V for 4.5GHz (I did say I was going to stop overclocking and just enjoy playing games for a while but I've found it too adictive biggrin.gif)
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