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Originally Posted by TonicX View Post

Using High Volts Burned up video cards, several mother boards, PCI wireless adapter, even a monitor, but never a processor. But that just my experience.

Most idiotic Computer Modification:
One time i had screwed a metal shelf on an old box stlye monitor and aparently used too long of screws. Ya no kidding! I had an 2 inch long blue tesla arc from the corner of the shelf to my Metal rig case and my first reaction was to seperate them, so i moved the case away and the arc just streched. WHA? Ya! After i pulled the plug and did a post-mortem i discovered all the PCI components where ghost. i slap the vga cord over to the On-Board VGA then back to School homework (PHOTOSHOP) but could not continue, only, because my roomate and I where laughing too hard.

So using a high voltage like 1.6v on an ivy bridge would burn up every other component except the video card? So the only disadvantage of using high volts on a ivy bridge is heat? and yea that is hilarious biggrin.gif
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lmao xD

Very nice "mod" tongue.gif

You said you liked liquid pro over liquid ultra, yea? Need to decide on which to buy for my delidding.
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You said you liked liquid pro over liquid ultra, yea? Need to decide on which to buy for my delidding.
get both thumb.gif ive got pro on die and ultra on ihs because i heard ultra is easier to get off. but either one will work just as good, i personally like pro the best because it has a need too apply the perfect amount, and it seems like you would get more applications with the pro
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Man these new batches do seem to be Alot better then the release batches.. atleast Freq wise.
    
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you got a new cpu ? or you talkin bout new members
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you got a new cpu ? or you talkin bout new members

LoL nah i still have the same chip wink.gif

Talking about new members numbers.
    
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Well, since I know it's stable at 4.6ghz, I figured just go for the gold. It booted with 1.36v at 5.0ghz, ran SuperPI 1M, no BSOD. Including the boot process, it was at 5.0ghz for probably 3-4 min.

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That's not the point. The point to see how good your chip is, to 'bin' it. Boot at 1.3v, if you can get software overclock (not booting) to 5ghz or above, it's worth delidding. Below that is a judgement call or simply not worth it. like less than 4.8 would be not worth delidding and a bad chip. 5ghz@1.36v and having issues doesn't really sound like a great chip, but maybe you have a decent chip.

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So if I run a high voltage, like 1.6v would it just break my chip and not my other components? Is heat the reason why you can't run high voltages or is it because the chip just dies from it even if it isn't hitting the tj maxx?

It depends on the chip, but in the case of Ivy, the max of 1.45-1.6v being cited so frequently is because of how new the chip is, how frail sandy was, how unexplored those voltages are for 24/7 overclocks, and that heat becomes a huge limiting factor. If you got an extremely high end air cooler or one of the better closed loops or custom water, you can push above 1.5v easily and stay cool (if you delidded, that is)and run over 5ghz for 24/7. No one has degraded or killed an ivy bridge yet except benching insane 1.9v+, and more than a few people run 1.6v for 24/7 so until they say they have problems, I wouldn't worry about running up to 1.6v until you see people who've already been running such a voltage for a long time now, say they have issues.

I mean degradation is immediately apparent generally, it's not like you are creeping signfiicant damage to your chip (I mean im sure a year is more like 2 years of aging, but it's not like 5+ years of aging per year.... then again this is all guessing).

Be aware voltages hurts a chip more than temps do, so if you are going to push extreme voltages, it's best your temps are not riding the limit of 90-100*C on load.
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...I rarely use prime95 or the old, modified IBT these days anymore because I find XTU more challenging - and also what commercial clients can agree on as a 'valid' test which we log on commercial builds before they leave...Then again, the XTU test result really doesn't say very much more than 'passed' or 'failed'...obviously, you want the 'green' passed I ran some XTU tests last Friday before a weekend of record runs and there should be a log.

im kinda done stress testing. In the future I'll see how xtu fares, if it catches overclocks that are unstable on prime95, or as quickly, that kind of thing.

I just dont like how it has a separate test for cpu and ram. That seems a bit like a waste. I got to run 24 hours of xtu both cpu and ram tests to see every single overclock I change is stable or not?
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You are right. "Hardware has really come a long, long way, as well as software. I really wonder if software overclocking is as bad as it is made out to be anymore."
.............

You know even is software overclocking is okay nowadays, it just doesn't offer enough control, and you have to set it upon logging in every single time you restart your computer as most of them lack 'apply on start-up' options. You can't change LLC, you can't change pwm switch rates, you can't change pll, vtt, imc. I'm the kind of person that literally has every single voltage on the absolute lowest (i tested my pll, vtt/imc, vcore, all to be so that one .05v interval lower would crash), every single ram timing, even the tertiary ones are on the absolute tightest they can be on. You just don't have that control in software. This depends on the motherboard though, of course - gigabyte's software is terrible, while MSI has great software (and vice versa is true on hardware).

Im sure software overclocking is fine for 99% of overclockers who just change enable pll overvoltage, maybe set llc once to a setting, and then change vcore/frequency, but it still has a ways to go before it's good enough for me. I will have no problems using it once it has all the same options .

Then again that might be a motherboard issue. For example MSI's software overclock program, is literally just the BIOS screens popping up in a window when your logged in. It can't get any more straightforward than that.
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I really don't want to post anymore on this because I know no one want to read it. However, just to be clear, I will address the issue. Joa3d43 posts have become more and more condescending, reread his posts by hearing the meaning not just reading the words.

I don't really see the problem. Joa3d43 seems to have experience using software and bclk overclocking and gave his input, YMMV. He clearly says he doesn't think asus suite is the be all end all, just in particular instances it's very good. I'm sure anyone could agree with just a non-committal statement, right? Then, you mistook the fact that his bclk was set manually, not automatically.

If anything you are the one that seemed a bit hostile, with the first shot fired:
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"Go there?" Seriously? Wow you are a legend in your own mind, why in the world would I care?

None of what you posted has much to do with a stable, safe, 24/7 overclock. If you want to tell people to use software to set auto overclocks that raise BCLK then be my guest.

Is there a moderator here that can delete all my posts please? They are all condescending and not at helpful according to my all knowing friend here. Thanks. Don't worry won't be posting about it again.
Time=money, and this is not worth my money.

I have a lot of respect for you but it just seems like your overreacting a bit. There's nothing wrong with being a bit condescending to someone if they are wrong and being a stuck up jerk but you clearly made a few incorrect assumptions (automatic bclk, using software to overclock everything).

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....problems with the facts, I guess. I have never, ever advised anyone on setting 'auto overclocks', and I feel I have done a lot to show folks the benefits on Intel's own XTU, including stability tests - the very same the professionals use. Good luck...

I mean he doesn't disagree with anything you say man. Even a mod chipped in and said they agreed that software can be useful and bclk overclocking has it's place.

I'm all for being rude and laying down the law on some ignorant motherflicker but i think the issue here is more miscommunication and less about ignorance.
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Obviously I made a mistake in my choice of words in the one post, didn't mean to, just a mistake. The following rant by Joa3d43 was very personal and very specific in its condescension and attack on me. Disagreements and even very heated debate is fine, I used to have a job where we screamed at each other most of the day wearing silly colored coats - I am no stranger to that.

Make a witty comeback!
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I've had some arguments and debates with many forum members and almost always we end up coming to an agreement of sorts, like for instance our buddy Belial...He or Hokies can have a "bad" attitude, or make it sound like they are condescending when in reality it's just their way of expressing themselves via text...for example, I've pm'd with Belial for a while and he's nothing like that really.
But you don't have to get along with someone if it just happens to don't "feel" right, nor should you be forced to leave this club for that.
Your choice man, hope you can get along eventually...

You know I still insist that considering a P67/Z68 used/sale/refurb/overstock is the way to go for a brand new ivy bridge build, you just go through the hoops of replacing the bios, buying the board used with the newest flashed, have a local computer shop or friend lend you an SB to use to flash, etc and pocket yourself money in the process.

It's just dat microcenter bundle special. The $40+ bundle savings is basically identical to the savings to be had in buying p67/z68, it means no hoops to jump through, and it's basically a 2013 car vs a 2011 car.

It's all about the quality of the motherboard you buy, not the chipset. If you don't live by microcenter, you should definitely consider a p67/z68 board for a new ivy bridge build. Not saying you should buy it, even without the microcenter specials, you can find a z77 that might be a better performance to value ratio than some p67/z68 on sale. But I'm just saying, they are amongst the choices out there. I mean an Asrock Extreme Z68 is better than an Asrock Extreme Z77 - so maybe for your new IB build, you consider the Asrock Extreme4 Z68, the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H, an Msi z68 g45. A lot of the z77 boards are actually worse than their p67/z68 counterparts (msi and asrock in particular).

But like I said, microcenter made me just drop the issue and look at me, I have a Z77X-UD5H. I paid $79 for it (about the price of a decent p67/z68, whereas z77s are usually $100+).

Time is a factor that the whole issue did not consider though, the time it'd take to research all the p67/z68 boards and how they work with ivy bridge (and nearly no one with p67/z68 upgraded to IB) is rather difficult. I attempted to compile a list here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1354973/list-of-motherboards-by-overclocking-options

And the p67/z68 section is rather small.
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Damn! 1 day I was out to just relax and get better, you guys post 200+ posts in 1 day... Too much, guessing a bit of OT in there but still... thumb.gif

I just went to my local PC store and a worker had ordered 3 Titans... Showed me the pictures of his current rig (3 680s), I'm wondering right now how the hell does a person working at slightly above minimum wage afford something like that... Debt?
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