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That's not the point. The point to see how good your chip is, to 'bin' it. Boot at 1.3v, if you can get software overclock (not booting) to 5ghz or above, it's worth delidding. Below that is a judgement call or simply not worth it. like less than 4.8 would be not worth delidding and a bad chip. 5ghz@1.36v and having issues doesn't really sound like a great chip, but maybe you have a decent chip.

I will need more than 1.36v(or maybe other tweaks like enabling PLL overvoltage), BUT looking here - http://www.overclock.net/t/1247869/official-the-ivy-bridge-stable-suicide-club-guides-voltages-temps-bios-templates-inc-spreadsheet/0_100 at the 3570K 5ghz OC's, the lowest vcore is 1.368v.

If delidding really knocks ~20C off of load temps, I'm pretty sure I've got a good shot at 5ghz.

You do realize that the guy who hit 5ghz@1.368v, he has a one in a million chip and that he can probably boot 5ghz on stock voltage, right? My chip is like most chips that are within the ~5% that can do 5ghz on less than 1.55v - I can boot at 5ghz@1.3v but I'm not stable at all. It took an extra ~.2v for me to actually be stable at that voltage. On average it takes around 1.45v for 5ghz.

Why dont you just see how far you can go with 1.3v?
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So many posts....wow:
Val: Get some wood -> lol tongue.gif

Belial: True, although I might as well hope for the best (about folding)

Swag: In Cyprus is was a huge problem, people were buying things they couldn't afford with loans to "show off" - people always wanted to show their wealth, wealth they never had. Thus the problem with the Greek economy, where there was too much lending and no way to pay it back. That might be the same mentality for the person who dropped so much on GPU's.

Justanoldman: Bro, I love your contributions here, please don't leave. As for people being spiteful, it happens everywhere. I almost get it daily on YouTube by haters being idiots. I just troll them now. I don't expect you to do that here, but just ignore it. I must say, sometimes it is hard to ignore - especially when it comes from forum MODERATORS on OCN: http://www.overclock.net/t/1362043/my-experience-with-scan-uk-asus-motherboard-antec-920-rma/40#post_19506831

Long story short, some people have nothing better to do than sit behind a computer and make other people feel like they are stupid, and/or insult them. Those people I consider no lifes. I'm not saying ANYONE in this thread is like that, I'm just saying as a general comment.
I hope you understand and keep posting over here.

As for the BCLK thing - no one I know uses over 100 for IB. Using 350 FSB is a thing of the past. People can use over 100 to around 110 if they want to for short term benchmarking and/or can use it in the long run, but for simplicity of numbers and a more stable OC, people just use 100. As you must remember the BCLK adjusts RAM, CPU and most probably PCI-e speeds. Back in the day, you had options for all three, now you only have 1 option.

On another note, been reading up over here about all the nail polish.
Do I have to use it at all? Remember my scratch I had on my PCB - would it be essential for me to cover that scratch from the IHS? As for the time being, I've had no problems (like shorting of CPU etc)
post #13883 of 33557
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Gimme that software meow!

Getting closer...

Now to hook them up and wait 3 days to get the air out of my loop lol tongue.gif

    
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Second delid attempt... semi succesful.

Dual Channel seems to b0rked, pretty common problem it seems lol

BUT DEM TEMPS!

53/54/56/54C @ 7min of Prime95 atm.

Temps were 85C+ before delid at these settings O_O
1.44V, 5GHz.

Using the IHS atm, couldn't get enough pressure or something on the CPU to get it to boot without the IHS on.

EDIT: Was too lazy to run Prime more, ran IBT and temps maxed out at 60/65/66/64C with Standard.
Edited by Stige - 3/14/13 at 10:59am
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post #13885 of 33557
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You do realize that the guy who hit 5ghz@1.368v, he has a one in a million chip and that he can probably boot 5ghz on stock voltage, right? My chip is like most chips that are within the ~5% that can do 5ghz on less than 1.55v - I can boot at 5ghz@1.3v but I'm not stable at all. It took an extra ~.2v for me to actually be stable at that voltage. On average it takes around 1.45v for 5ghz.

Why dont you just see how far you can go with 1.3v?
id say 2 in one million biggrin.gif
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just practiced on a old Pentium 4, I cant know for 100% sure that it worked because my socket 478 mobo is shot out. Surprisingly easy...less than 2 minutes to pop the top, not a scratch on the thing. I am putting an order in today for some LCP.

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quote name= Belial
It is odd but I've heard one other guy say he had an easier overclock with bclk x multi than multi alone. Who knows why or what's really going on, maybe just 'incorrect' stress testing.

EXPERIMENT #19511256 Official: TonicX
The BCLK question is a real onion and since there are literally infinate variables(Different stress test, different hardware, different color nail polish on your cpu, i will do some good old empirical science.

1. Test trials begin on my render rig using the Ivy Bridge validated AIDA64 System Stability Test
2. Fans will be set 30-60 [40%power ate 30* scaling to reach full 100% fan power at 60*
3. MOW techniques will not be implimented (MOW = Minnesota Open Window)
4. The Case will remain stationary with both side panels off
5. the OC settings will remain where they have been for the last 24+ hours call it Core Speed BcLK vs No BcLK
senerio A. Core speed 4897.8 Mz x47.0 , Bus Speed 104.21 MHz Core Voltage 1.464 Offset Enabled
vs
senerio B. Core speed 4900 Mz x49.0 , Bus speed 100 MHz Core Voltage 1.464 Offset Enabled

6. Data will be shared Live with OCN official Delided Ivy Crew via my Gaming rig Quad Core 775 Gigabyte

7. As a scientist I no longer 'Care" and let go of all bias. I SIMPLY WANT TO KNOW.

8. This test is not 24/7 as I do not undertake Render session with that timeframe but 36-48-or 72 hours cranked is not uncommon.

9. Purpose: Stress-Testing Computers

10. Risks: Stress-Testing Members

Any member feedback is welcome!
especially anyone familiar with AIDA64 v2.80.2300 extreme software


devil.gifIF IT AINT BROKE THEN YOU DIDN'T OVERCLOCK IT ENOUGHTdevil.gif
just kidding

Thursday march 16 1:02 PM @ 10 hours 52 minute into EXPERIMENT #19511256

I woke-up to find that Senerio A has Failed the AIDA64 System Stability Test -

Observations:
1. Test trials Paused(no-stress)
2. Fans are still working
3. The MOW is not in affect- however Direct sunlight is bathing the black ATX case
4. Case open with with side panel off
5. The OC settings remain at:
senerio A. Core speed 4897.8 Mz x47.0 , Bus Speed 104.21 MHz Core Voltage 1.464 Offset Enabled
6. Temps normal for idle conditions
7. Windows 8 seams fully functional, reports no BSOD, has not rebooted, has UP TIME of 1:04:54:16
8. Stress-Testing of TonicX = minimal

Investigations:
1. What made the AIDA64 System Stability Test report: 3/14/2013/ 6:35:37 AM - WARNING: HARDWARE FAILURE DETECTED! TEST STOPPED
2. How do I harvest data from AIDA64
3. Did heat from the sun introduce a significate new variable to EXPERIMENT #19511256
4. Is Hardware damaged
5. Did Hardware damage occure during StressTest_01

Plan:
1. Table Question in OVERCLOCK.NET forum: What data can be found in AIDA64 to persue answer to investigative questions?
2. Reboot
3. Dianostic test
4. Change OC setting in BIOS to senerio B. Core speed 4900 Mz x49.0 , Bus speed 100 MHz Core Voltage 1.464 Offset Enabled
5. Begin StressTest_002
6. Pause/Hold StressTest_002 for discussion.

Ok someone talk to me. How do i use AIDA64 (i see a report wizard)?
Any Questions, Comments, Advise would be useful now?
What do YOU think.

shout outs:
Thanks JOA3D43 for the support and the link. +rep
Thanks Valgaur for this lively thread. +rep
Thanks Justanoldman for being passionate about Overclocking. +rep
Thanks Belial for the challenge. +rep



EDIT: here is a link to the AIDA64 report on my site http://www.iversondigital.com/Report_StressTest_001.htm

devil.gif"Yeah my name is Ivy and I get hot."devil.gif

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What MOBO are you using? Did you check the voltage points to see what voltage you are actually using? I am never going to trust a motherboard vcore read ouut ever again.

Z77 OC Formula, should be in my sig rig.

The 1.44V is measured with a DMM, CPU-Z shows just ~1.41V for me.
Not as bad as my E4 was but still off by too much.

On another note: I was the one that had more stable clock with upping BCLK and lowering multi to achieve same overclock with my old 2500K.
Currently running 5.1GHz with 104.1x49.

More speed = better! Everything counts, this is OCN right? Then why wouldn't you use the BCLK to overclock!
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Originally Posted by Stige View Post

Second delid attempt... semi succesful.

Dual Channel seems to b0rked, pretty common problem it seems lol

BUT DEM TEMPS!

53/54/56/54C @ 7min of Prime95 atm.

Temps were 85C+ before delid at these settings O_O
1.44V, 5GHz.

Using the IHS atm, couldn't get enough pressure or something on the CPU to get it to boot without the IHS on.

EDIT: Was too lazy to run Prime more, ran IBT and temps maxed out at 60/65/66/64C with Standard.

how do you know it is borked ?
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Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD Western Digital 60EZRX 6TB 5400RPM HDD Samsung SH-S203N 20X LightScribe DVD RW Corsair H100i + 4x CM 120mm @ Push/Pull 
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5x CM 120mm + 1x CM 230mm + 1x NZXT 140mm Windows 10 x64 Samsung UA50JS7200R 50'' 4K SUHD HDR Smart TV Gigabyte Aivia Osmium 
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Seasonic X-Series Gold 850W Cooler Master HAF 932 Gigabyte Aivia Krypton CM Storm Speed-RX S 
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Creative SB X-FI Titanium Fatality Pro Edifier S760D 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound System Corsair Vengeance 2100 Wireless 7.1 Gaming Headset Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless Gamepad + Receiver 
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Originally Posted by invincible20xx View Post

how do you know it is borked ?

Wouldn't get past 55 code with them in dual channel but work in single channel? smile.gif

Someone on a Finnish forum said though that he got his dual channel to work after reapplying paste and everything again, maybe I just got some waste on some wrong place.
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