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post #14921 of 33675
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Originally Posted by homestyle View Post


i've gone through lots of threads about delidding. the biggest factor helping lower temps is not the intel tim. its actually removing the glue and the gap, which placies the ihs closer on the die.

the other reason for using regular tim is that i plan on going commando (bare die) in the future. and cleaning up the residue of clu will be pain.

CLU is easy to clean off.
CLP isnt as easy but you can still get it off.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but a couple off times wasnt it said here that a bare die application only resulted in a couple degrees more of a temp drop?

The biggest factor is definitely the tim .
Edited by Solonowarion - 3/26/13 at 9:30am
post #14922 of 33675
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Originally Posted by Solonowarion View Post

CLU is easy to clean off.
CLP isnt as easy but you can still get it off.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but a couple off times wasnt it said here that a bare die application only resulted in a couple degrees more of a temp drop?

The biggest factor is definitely the tim .

I am running bare DIE and getting about the same temps as everyone else that have successfully delidded and are still using the IHS, might be a tad lower.

I built a chiller, and don't know whether to use bare die or slap the IHS back on to take care of the air gap around the DIE. Maybe FTW 420 or some of the other sub zero benchers can enlighten me on this. I have dielectric grease, rubber eraser, Dragon Skin FX Pro, and PLENTY of armaflex (about 120ft of 2"x1/4"). Without the socket holder I feel like it solves a lot of problems and eliminates the need for the eraser. I can still run without the socket holder and still use the IHS. I just don't know if the fact that I delidded will cause possible air in the vacant area around the die itself if I use the IHS again. If it does then condensation will surely form. Without it I can just cover the area around the DIE in dielectric grease. This little headache is the primary reason I have taken a break from completing the chiller.

Sorry to change the subject. If anyone with experience has suggestions feel free to PM me with your ideas.
post #14923 of 33675
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Ha! 91c max temp on my hottest core, 21c ambient. 4.5ghz at 1.336v...big MEH!

EDIT: yeah, found my max stable oc without delidding. this chip SUCKS pretty much, but not as badly as I first thought.

Today's my bday too...

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post #14924 of 33675
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Originally Posted by Icydead View Post

dude biggrin.gif Are you telling me that I could have done this 3 second thing instead of sweating while cutting through with razor ? Im just going to facepalm into my pillow smile.gif

...or save a bit of flesh and blood (healed fine, though) ?

Intel(R) IPP JPEG encoder 7.0.1041 - Jul 19 2011;
post #14925 of 33675
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

...or save a bit of flesh and blood (healed fine, though) ?

Intel(R) IPP JPEG encoder 7.0.1041 - Jul 19 2011;
No pain, no gain! biggrin.gif
Glad it healed up. Could have been much worse. ph34r-smiley.gif

I agree though. Sweating, trembling from intense focus, fear of spontaneous combustion. All things I experienced while delidding. tongue.gif

..and having 1 shoe and sock off with your toes wrapped around something metal...(my bedframe)
Edited by jdm317 - 3/26/13 at 10:48am
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Format isnt perfect, I didnt read the rules before. I just had my prime 95 tests not IBT.

OCN name: Solonowarion
CPU: i5 3570k
on die-TIM: CLU
ihs-TIM: MX-4
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.7 ghz I kept the same overclock.
Temp drops: 18c
CPU-Z validation of max OC: Will post Val when I get home.

I put too much CLU on die will try less soon and get back with better results.

On another note I was able to get 5.0 ghz on 1.504 volts and keep the same temps as my 4.7 - 1.328 v oc.


This pic was for the Ivy stable club.

Edited by Solonowarion - 3/26/13 at 11:17am
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Hi is this the right thread? I recently delidded my ivy bridge, have had a successful rehab from drugs and alcohol, have grieved the lost of a pet missing an appendage, and hate and/or am afraid of clowns.
Wuzzup y'all!

Solonowarion - did you get your "degradation" question answered yet? If so, what's the low-down?

CONGRATs on the 18 degrees Lower temps!
Edited by TonicX - 3/26/13 at 11:47am
   
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post #14928 of 33675
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I know there is no reason to run at 5 ghz I just want to get it stable then I will go back to my 4.7 or 4.5 OC.

At 1.504 volts not really going over 75C. Could I run it as is? How much degradation can we approximate?
I have seen exactly zero confirmed reports of measurable eletromigration (degradation) in an Ivy chip running at what is considered normal voltages and temps. If you are at 1.5v or so and below, and your real life day to day temps are below 60c you may or may not see excessive degradation over the coming years. Some say 1.5v is safe others say it is not, some say heat matters more others say voltage matters more.

As has already been posted, we all know that degradation happens to every chip since heat and voltage cause it to happen. But we know chips can go 10+ years without issue at stock. So if we say you increase the pace of degradation by 300%, then maybe you see negative results of ocing in three years or so. This is ocn so many won’t care beyond three years – or even less.

If you are paranoid about degradation on a 200 to 300 dollar chip, then you probably would not have delidded and oced your chip. There is no one out there who knows exactly how far you can push Ivy, it is too young, and no scientific tests have been done.

It would also depend on how you use it. If you fold everyday then you should be more careful. If you use your machine sometimes to game, surf, work, etc. and shut it down at night, you probably don’t need to be as careful.

I realize that doesn’t actually answer your question, but there is no answer yet, we don’t know. From what is worth, your temps look very good, and 1.5 is not exactly excessive, so I would be surprised if you have any really serious degradation in the next few years.
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post #14929 of 33675
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i've gone through lots of threads about delidding. the biggest factor helping lower temps is not the intel tim. its actually removing the glue and the gap, which placies the ihs closer on the die.

the other reason for using regular tim is that i plan on going commando (bare die) in the future. and cleaning up the residue of clu will be pain.
As the 20th person to say the same thing, clu is really easy to get off the die, and many have already found that you have to use ultra or pro on the die to get the best results from delidding.

Some have had luck with bare die, but the temp drop is not all that great, and most will tell you it is not worth the trouble. Your temps look high, I would guess there is an issue with your cooler, maybe too much tim, too little tim, or not a clean installation which is preventing good contact between the IHS and cold plate. I would try to reseat the cooler and try to get a better tim spread then see what your temps are.
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5ghz linx, on the balcony:)

144 gflops !!!!

what do you say ?smile.gif

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