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Originally Posted by flv1333 View Post

I'm really tempted to get this: http://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-precisemount-add-on-naked-ivy.html

since I'm planning a custom loop anyways tongue.gif any thoughts? think a direct die contact will lower the temps even more?

Repost from yesterday. I don't think it'll be an improvement for most people. Most waterblocks/heatsinks are slightly convex, and I doubt EK is an exception. The IHS has a benefit of making good contact less finicky, because you can just put down a ton of pressure to flex the IHS to conform a bit better.
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Originally Posted by SilentAD View Post

How is 20-23c not a "real" temp drop O_O ? I could probably see a few more degrees if I got a proper TIM for IHS-Heatsink. But I only had the stock cooler master TIM that came with my Hyper 212 Evo.

I didn't say it wasn't a good temp drop but I'm just saying that you could get better.why not milk it for all you can get?
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[citation needed]

No need to prove it to you.. Just beleive it. Almost everyone that put "regular paste" then switched to clu or clp on the die saw at least 10 degrees extra. No need to prove it to you.
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Not to be difficult, but CLU is supposed to be a bit lower thermal conductivity than CLP, and CLP was only rated B+ here:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=11

I'm using GC Electronics Silcone Z9 10-8108 which was rated higher (it's also vastly cheaper)

In my mind thermal conductivity is thermal conductivity and it doesn't matter where it's being applied.
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Rav - I want to do a stability test and have prime95,v25.11,build 2. My first time prime95 crashed after 10 minutes, I up the vcore. Now my question: how do know if I have errors? why does it take 24 hours? Help a prime95 nooby out. what is a whea error? headscratch.gif
   
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Not to be difficult, but CLU is supposed to be a bit lower thermal conductivity than CLP, and CLP was only rated B+ here:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=11

I'm using GC Electronics Silcone Z9 10-8108 which was rated higher (it's also vastly cheaper)

In my mind thermal conductivity is thermal conductivity and it doesn't matter where it's being applied.

Alrighty now it's time to learn people!!!

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just kidding feeling much better and feeling somewhat smurt today.

Anyways dr, as with the entire 80 way thing of paste lets make one thing clear about CLU/CLP right now. it's not meant to be on the IHS as a standard TIM, it's ment purely (as i see it) for the die of Ivy bridge.

liquid metal like solder is meant for small places to move lots of heat, CLU/CLP are key for this as their heat movement is pretty darn crazy as it is. This is why it's mainly for the die as the die is very small and outputs tons of heat which the CLP/CLP can immediately hold and throw out onto the IHs and then transfer to the heat sink. I don't believe there are any actual testings of switching die TIM from lets say AS5 and MX or even prolimatech or other stuff to CLU/CLP. this is because the smaller the are the more heat density and the more w/km (shut up if i spelled it wrong) then the best performance you can get. on the front page i have the list of the most used TIM on here... go take a look at the top two which are CLU/CLP they are at least twice as high on the values of heat movement.

IHS TIM's can't compete as they need a larger area to work as thats how they are designed to be placed and used, CLU/CLP do both they don't work the best on the IHS (still darn good with stock Intel TIM though) but put it on the die........ and use lets say MX-1 you'll drop at least 10 C no problem then switch the MX-1 and you'll drop more, why? because the CLU/CLP can move all the heat no problem but the MX-1 is holding everything back. then switch to a crazy good TIM like CLU and then you'll drop even more as it will have a much higher transfer rate of heat and then it's all based on your cooling unit after that.

We don't recommend it just for sponsor or kicks. it's the best TIM for this out there. take a look through the OP and look through the spreadsheet and see what TIMs everyone is using and the temp drops, it's for exactly that.
post #15137 of 33678
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Rav - I want to do a stability test and have prime95,v25.11,build 2. My first time prime95 crashed after 10 minutes, I up the vcore. Now my question: how do know if I have errors? why does it take 24 hours? Help a prime95 nooby out. what is a whea error? headscratch.gif
Sorry, this is an inside joke I guess?
I would assume someone who tells people to oc with BCLK for a 24/7 stability would be an expert in testing that stability.
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I have a intel i3-2100 LGA1155 is the IHS solder or tim ? I know it is not Overclockable (except a few notches with BCLK) but is it a suitable chip to delid, if I want to try one of the neo-deliding techniques? I,m going to youtube it. If I was going to do another 3770K or similar, no way would I do anything other that the "Razor-Blade Technique" It was so controlled -(literally Rocket-Surgery) but I am experimentational sort of guy. So I'm thinking of making a jig in my woodshop to "Oreo Cookie twist the die off Ivy Bridge" The hammer just seams to reckless- imho - What do you guys want to see? I will take a quick poll, film the dirty-deed, and post it this evening. Wish me luck!
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OK I checked the specs between the GC Electronics and the CLU.

7.5 vs. 38.4. Still a whole lot crappier than silver or copper which is > 400.

OK I'm in agreement then...CLU will be superior only because you don't have to worry about the liquidity of CLU being counter-productive towards filling in gaps.

I guess if I'm going through the crazy length of using silver to replace the copper IHS, I might as well use the best thermal paste possible (I'll probably use CLU for die->silver shim and GC Electronics for shim -> waterblock).
post #15140 of 33678
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Originally Posted by justanoldman View Post

Sorry, this is an inside joke I guess?
I would assume someone who tells people to oc with BCLK for a 24/7 stability would be an expert in testing that stability.

No, no joke, not an expert, you missed a few post then. I did one brief stability test and it supported your assertion about not ocing the bclk, so I have been running it at 100 since. So if you have time to reply to my post how about answering the questions? Thanks-man.

EDIT: I don't need a personal tutorial but a link would suffice since this has undoubtitly been cover here somewhere? I don't really feel comfortable using these extreme artificial workload benches for long periods of time, I suspect it could damage are degrade my cpu/hardware. BUT- this is a render machine (Cinema 4d) and a few games. The render and the games dont crash it, so why find a program that pushes it harder and hotter? My SSD hard-drive RAID 0 cant take a lot of crashing.
Edited by TonicX - 3/28/13 at 11:44am
   
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