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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1682
Again, Titan has to do with performance, I'm talking strictly about benchmarking. I'm not into gaming with uber high details, in fact my main rig is a pentium 4 631 atm, with intel hd graphics (soon to be a 6950 1gb) and that would be fine for my needs lol
Exactly...
Heaven xtreme is more of an AMD camp, basic yeah, greenish so to speak biggrin.gif
.yeah, it really varies by bench mark competition...and the driver 'mods' that are allowed

BTW, on Titan - as gorgeous as they are, they still are 'rejects' (bad term, I know) from certain Tesla foundry wafers..if NVidia would want to, they could release even faster Titans (based on the K20X I think)...but why ? They can sell all the top-of-the line Tesla's at $3k +
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

Looks ref to me
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Gigabyte boards are better then Rog boards wink.gif

I did own an X58 RE3 it was a nice board. And my HTPC is an Asus board...

Also i did own 2 of the very top tier GTX 680s for a good 8 months..

And 2 other 2GB 680s...

These Amd Gpus kick there butts pretty hard tho.












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\Wait, the card pictured there is reference? I got a powercolor 7970 when the 7000 series launched, I always thought it was reference since they were the first ones out, but my PCB is different.
Did they actually have reference & non reference out on launch day?

Also, you seem to have been listening to sin too much & have GB on the brain...biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

...wait til FtW and/or IvanL see all your pics of older but powerful cards biggrin.gif ...they might want to buy them from you because 'if you can LN2 it, they will do it' thumb.gif

There are some nice ones there, but I guess I've never shown a pic of my gpu collection here...
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Man, are you a gamer or a bencher?
Come on, either buy dual Titans or quad 7970's...go big or go home.
Or grab a ton of old gpus and gpu pots, and a 3930k system for vantage and 3dm11. (the rest with 1155 at 6.5ghz)
I suppose Ivy bridge hexa cores will beat everything at 3d, once IB-E is out, IF they overclock to 6.2ghz on ln2 (comparing current x79 performance at 3d, the extra threads help, even with lower clocks cause of SB arch)
BUT if Haswell comes with bclk straps, and overclocks 10% more than IB and has 10% more ipc, IB-E is doomed.

EDIT: Oh, and btw, you want any of these gpus in no particular order:

-Asus 7970 DcuII TOP
-Asus 7970 Matrix Platinum
-HIS 7970 X Turbo something (beast as the matrix, and cheaper)
-Msi 7970 Lightning

Peace tongue.gif
biggrin.gif

You know it! Sadly, knowing Hokies, I know he has already sold most of the old stuff to fund the new gen.

Ivy bridge at 6.2Ghz + can start to edge out sb-e in 3dmark 11. With enough clockspeed & good memory the higher gpu scores ivy gets can overcome the physics score advantage of the hexcore.
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Originally Posted by Arm3nian View Post

So you're saying haswell > ivy-e? I don't think Intel would release ivy hexa cores 6 months after they release haswell if it performs better.

It better not... It's pretty much impossible for the quad core to overcome the hexcore in multithread use.
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Originally Posted by Arm3nian View Post

Heavily modded as in what? Increasing power target doesn't do that much, and the voltage still has a limit even though it's a bit higher. I already modded my 690 bios not much different than a 680 one. If you're talking about hardware modding maybe, but if you can do that on the 680 then you can also do that on 7970.

Also what does titan have to do with 7970?

It is a lot more hardmodding & software tricks to get the 680 performance high enough to beat the 7970, but it is doable. 8 pack from OCN put a lot of time into his cards to take some world records with the 680 before titan launched. It was him & kingpin with 680s above a sea of 7970s in the ranks.
    
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That is a Ref 7950 PCB


The ref 7970 Pcb is different.



Sin knows his stuff wink.gif he the only one who goes so far in depth with these boards he is the only person i trust when im looking at a board.. i just pick up the phone give him a call and ask..
    
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

That is a Ref 7950 PCB


The ref 7970 Pcb is different.



Sin knows his stuff wink.gif he the only one who goes so far in depth with these boards he is the only person i trust when im looking at a board.. i just pick up the phone give him a call and ask..

7950, I missed that part, thanks. Made me wonder for a minute...

He does know boards, his reviews are as in-depth as they get. Almost too long of a read, but if there's anything you need to know about a board, it's in there. There was some learning curve & he has made some mistakes, learned form them & carried on.
He is honest as well, most reps will push the hardware they represent at all cost, when asked straight up if a different board is better than the GB he will say so when it is.
    
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Man, are you a gamer or a bencher?
Come on, either buy dual Titans or quad 7970's...go big or go home.
Or grab a ton of old gpus and gpu pots, and a 3930k system for vantage and 3dm11. (the rest with 1155 at 6.5ghz)
I suppose Ivy bridge hexa cores will beat everything at 3d, once IB-E is out, IF they overclock to 6.2ghz on ln2 (comparing current x79 performance at 3d, the extra threads help, even with lower clocks cause of SB arch)
BUT if Haswell comes with bclk straps, and overclocks 10% more than IB and has 10% more ipc, IB-E is doomed.

EDIT: Oh, and btw, you want any of these gpus in no particular order:

-Asus 7970 DcuII TOP
-Asus 7970 Matrix Platinum
-HIS 7970 X Turbo something (beast as the matrix, and cheaper)
-Msi 7970 Lightning

Peace tongue.gif
biggrin.gif

You know it! Sadly, knowing Hokies, I know he has already sold most of the old stuff to fund the new gen.

I'm both lol, born gamer but I'm turning into a bencher tongue.gif so I need a gaming rig and a benching rig as well. I just really want to do an epic build. I don't know... might throw the ivy in it to save money... but I do need a nice x79 anyways.... but man whole new build basically lol. I'm gonna get LN2 stuff this summer as well and bench during school biggrin.gif
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Mr. Valgaur..per yesterday's and earlier posts, it would be great to get some MSI 680 Lightnings...now that I have a 2nd ROG, I need more GPUs ! I found 2 places in town that advertised the 680 Lightnings as 'in stock'...these are older, less busy shops with web sites that have not changed their look in years.. so there actually was a chance that they had some dusting away in the back...I drove up there earlier today, intending to buy 4-6 (and re-sell 2 to you at cost)...alas, 'no cigar' mad.gif - they did check with their suppliers but the word 'unavailable' was used a lot...I have one more serious lead and will let you know... smile.gif

Don't worry I'm currently broke as heck right now so don't look to hard for me tongue.gif

What did you guys think of my ideas for parts though?.
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Originally Posted by Valgaur View Post

I'm both lol, born gamer but I'm turning into a bencher tongue.gif so I need a gaming rig and a benching rig as well. I just really want to do an epic build. I don't know... might throw the ivy in it to save money... but I do need a nice x79 anyways.... but man whole new build basically lol. I'm gonna get LN2 stuff this summer as well and bench during school biggrin.gif
Don't worry I'm currently broke as heck right now so don't look to hard for me tongue.gif

What did you guys think of my ideas for parts though?.

...what ? Not selling a kidney or a lung ? biggrin.gif

No worries, I'm not committing you to any purchases...if I find what I am looking for, there are several folks interested...As to your build-plans and ideas, they look very intriguing...once you start thinking 'outside the box', you realize that there is the 'Undiscovered Country...' Post some drawings though, if you like...{after the patent agent? ) thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by FtW 420 View Post

It is a lot more hardmodding & software tricks to get the 680 performance high enough to beat the 7970, but it is doable. 8 pack from OCN put a lot of time into his cards to take some world records with the 680 before titan launched. It was him & kingpin with 680s above a sea of 7970s in the ranks.

I must admit that is an interesting mod, I'll figure something like that out when I get my Ph.d in 8 years lol.

But anyway, my point was a non crazy watercooler unlike those two guys will still have much better results with overclocking a 7970 than a 680. Also it seems way more dangerous than delidding, incorrectly cut a trace and there goes $500.
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Yeah, it's REAL tricky, even more so than modding 7970's for max clocks on ln2.
The voltage controller chip has many quirks...not worth it imho.
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I know everyone here is pro AMD when it comes to GPUs. And I was too, I had 6870, 2x 6870, 2x 6950, 7950, 7970, all in the past year. I sold my 7970 and got a 670. The gaming experience is much smoother. I don't get as high of benchmark scores but the tearing, flickering, and frame latency has vanished.

Some will say that it's inexperience on my part and I just needed to try messing with all sorts of settings to fix it. But I don't feel like I should have to mess with a $400 just to get it to work correctly. I don't mind installing a GPU, installing the drivers, and having no issues at all. That's the ideal scenario for me anyway.
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my 670's keep up with any 7950's out there biggrin.gif . Now 7970 and 680 lightnings i got no chance.
and they aint even wet tongue.gif
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