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Now that's a really good idea. I will definitely get around to doing that.
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's cool. I didn't mean to be rude.


As for the whole wire issue. Yeah there was a little more I could do, I messed with it for like 10 minutes and it looks a lot better. But the most important space around the radiator was just fine before. I just had a mess of wires at the bottom. But I did find some stuff I could place more optimally.

Just honestly, there is only so much I'm willing to mess with on this though, because this build has been such a doozy, and not just because I had to open a cpu with a razor blade, which wasn't too bad, but still nerve-wracking. But then getting my Corsair H100i and finding out the Asus Sabertooth Z77 I like so much, the plastic armour actually got in the way of it, but I eventually got the radiator attached, although it's skewed and not exactly center with the fans on top. Also, if anyone were to repeat this, Sabertooth Z77 + Corsair 400r + Corsair H100i, you'll find out you can only get two screws in it with push/pull configuration, three screws if you only use the one set of fans. Just that I was able to get things working right in the end makes me happy. Then I also bent the pins on my motherboard when I was switching from the 3770 to the 3770k, so went without a computer for awhile. *gasp* I'm just happy to have it all completed that I really wasn't even thinking about something like wires so it seemed trivial to me, but I suppose it was good advice, so thanks.

Yea I hear ya man I also bent my motherboard pins when putting the chip back in after delidding so I know what its like to have to buy a new board for something stupid like that. My psu has been in RMA for two weeks now so I haven't been able to use my build in two weeks now and I'm dying to try out my new parts.
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Yea I hear ya man I also bent my motherboard pins when putting the chip back in after delidding so I know what its like to have to buy a new board for something stupid like that. My psu has been in RMA for two weeks now so I haven't been able to use my build in two weeks now and I'm dying to try out my new parts.


Damn. What bent them? For me it was a Cooler Master 212 EVO+ mounting kit and I wasn't noticing the pin inside wasn't lined up with the bracket and I guess it bent the pins. I looked online for advice and got a magnifying glass and a flashlight and tried rearranging them all, until i saw one of the gold pins snap off while moving it back. lol.


I was trying to do the whole validation thing for the delidded temperature test. But I'm having some trouble. I usually just use a +.2v offset value and go at 4.7 Ghz, I can game all day and nothing crashes and my 4 cpu core temperatures playing Battlefield 3 with all settings maxed never goes beyond 80 degrees celsius, however, Intel Burn Test I'm having trouble setting up to where it won't go to 105 degrees (I can complete the test at 4.5 with +.125 offset but CPU-Z is saying I'm at 1.42 or so vcore), my one core, the second one from the left on the chart in Real Temp, is always a little hotter, usually by 3 or 4 degrees than the other cores. I'm kinda new to overclocking cpu's too, I've tried booting at 4.5 Ghz at 1.2v manual but it won't boot, I even pushed it to 1.28 and it got into windows and shortly after it went bluescreen restart. Does this mean I didn't get a good chip because it won't do 4.5 at 1.2v manual? Is there a setting I could try? EPU power saving mode is off, almost everything like load line calib. and any overclocking value is set to extreme or best value for overclocking potential. I didn't check the C1 and c2 and package c states though, so perhaps I'll mess with them.

Any advice would be appreciated.
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Is ud4h better because it is newer than the ud5h? I got the ud5h for $135 with gift cards for best buy. Would the ud4h have been better?
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I will once the video and guide are changed from a barbarous and dangerous razor delid to the civilized, enlightened, safe and efficient hammer method tongue.gif

Seriously, it's like when you stop a clinical trial early because NOT using the new treatment is a waste of lives. The old method should NOT be up there anymore!
Sorry, I will go ahead and disagree with that. I watched your video and saw how the chip was handled. I would bet that it is ok, but I could not guarantee it. When I delidded both my chips with a razor I used rubber gloves whenever I handled it to avoid static and any dirt/oils that are always present on your hands, and I treated it extremely gently at all times.

The repeated blows struck to the pcb may be 100% fine, but you don’t have any long term data on that. I know for a fact that both my chips were handled with extreme care and no kind of force was used on any part of it. Delidding with a razor, when done right, exposes the pcb and die to nothing whatsoever dangerous or out of the ordinary. Only the glue is cut, nothing else is affected.

I have watched all the hammer videos and I don’t fault anyone for going that direction at all. The blunt force trauma inflicted on the pcb may be perfectly fine, I am not an Intel engineer, but I know for a fact no force or damage was done to my chips when I used a razor.
Both methods are valid, but I would have to wait awhile to see if the trauma caused by repeated hammer blows means anything or not. Just my two cents.
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Fair enough, but the OP should at least link to the hammer method so people know there is more than one option out there. Like I said, so far nobody has killed their chip with this method, while the razor method is very accident-prone.
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Fair enough, but the OP should at least link to the hammer method so people know there is more than one option out there. Like I said, so far nobody has killed their chip with this method, while the razor method is very accident-prone.
Agreed, pm him with what info you think should be there, and then he will decide how to proceed.
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...well, the chap I compete most against in that league is running a LN2 pot (in his avatar / pic of system)...FtW tried to explain before how that is 'fair'...but I did not quite get it

Maybe Ivan can give a better explanation, but you are mainly running 3d benchmarks right now, which get ranked by the gpu so looking at that.
Running a bench for a single 7970 say you get the highest score for any air or water cooled single 7970, you would be in the #1 spot for that card in that benchmark in the enthusiast league & get the most points for it in the league.
Now you look at the rankings for for 1 x 7970 in that benchmark, & you can be in the #30 spot behind cards that were ln2 cooled.

So in the overall rankings for 1 x 7970 you are still competing against extreme coolers for the absolute highest score.

But being in the enthusiast league, you still get good points for having the fastest card on non-extreme cooling. The leagues are about the points.

Extreme coolers compete against extreme coolers for points in the extreme OC league
Normal coolers compete for points in the enthusiast league.

It's still an all out competition for the highest score & highest ranking, any cooling goes.

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I didn't call him stupid. Do you always put words in other people's mouths? Just thought perhaps he wasn't up and up on every feature the board has. I've bought two, so compared to someone who hasn't had one (unless he has bought one), I'd probably have a better idea of if something works well or not on the board. It also comes down to simple physics. Someone who says the thermal armour would make it worse just doesn't seem to get the idea. Do 2 40mm fans do a lot? No. But it doesn't have to if it's pushing air into a tight volume of space. If I have an open board just like any other board, it's exposed and air isn't going to run along it as well as if I were to cover it and force air underneath the cover, that same air that was before running around in open space, is now forced to only flow over the motherboard until it's expelled. Making it so air can't go anywhere else makes a channel of air that is much more efficient for getting rid of waste heat rather than something exposed. FTW was saying it would make it worse. Physics just doesn't agree with that. Now this doesn't help the cpu at all, just the surface temperature of the motherboard.
Noisy as heck? That's why you put fans on controllers. Can't have good airflow? Yeah, why would something with 16 fans put off good airflow? You're judging the case's airflow based on a closeup shot of the motherboard I posted? That doesn't give you an idea of it's cooling ability at all. You're assuming a lot here from that one pic. Then you tell me that wires are all important and I should get rid of some of my fans? Yeah, that's really gonna help airflow, let's get rid of fans to help the airflow. 120's wont fit in the spot I put the 80 mm's and the 80's are electrical taped together so air can only move through the next fan. As you can see, this pulls air in, it's sucked up by the radiator or spit out the back. It's a straight shot right to the radiator The only place a lot of wires are is on the bottom and there are tons of fans there anyways. My system runs fine and puts off a lot of air. Maybe once I buy the final fans I settle with I'll do something about the wires, but until then I couldn't hardly care about anything so inconsequential. Anyways, sorry for getting heated, but it becomes kinda personal when someone insults my work, based on something so trivial like some wires, when they aren't even seeing a good photo of the whole case.


Along the top you have two tiny fan wires, two power cables that just reach and can not be routed and the coolant tubes to the H100i. The only mess of wires is on the very bottom, far away from the radiator.

Its all good, just friendly discussion.
I do think physics agrees with me though. Say you have a computer in a case generating heat, 2 x case fans pushing air through it.
Will this cool better than a computer in the open air, no case, with 2 x case fans moving air over everything? Maybe as good, but better?

I was mainly pointing out that the thermal armor is like an advertising feature, something different than anyone else has (it is good for manufacturers to try new & different things), & while it may not hurt temps, it doesn't necessarily help them either. Like a gpu backplate, looks good, but usually more aesthetic than functional.
MSI military spec components are a good example. Heavily advertised, but do the military spec components offer anything better than the competitors who don't have military spec components? Not one bit of difference.

Not knocking your board or anything, me not liking the sabertooth is only about the look & personal taste, as far as performance goes I would take the sabertooth over some other boards. (like lilchronics extreme 4. his board just sucks tongue.gif )
    
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Is ud4h better because it is newer than the ud5h? I got the ud5h for $135 with gift cards for best buy. Would the ud4h have been better?

UD5H is fine board i had my 3770k running 5ghz and ram at 2500mhz on a UD5H
    
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Maybe Ivan can give a better explanation, but you are mainly running 3d benchmarks right now, which get ranked by the gpu so looking at that.
Running a bench for a single 7970 say you get the highest score for any air or water cooled single 7970, you would be in the #1 spot for that card in that benchmark in the enthusiast league & get the most points for it in the league.
Now you look at the rankings for for 1 x 7970 in that benchmark, & you can be in the #30 spot behind cards that were ln2 cooled.

So in the overall rankings for 1 x 7970 you are still competing against extreme coolers for the absolute highest score.

But being in the enthusiast league, you still get good points for having the fastest card on non-extreme cooling. The leagues are about the points.

Extreme coolers compete against extreme coolers for points in the extreme OC league
Normal coolers compete for points in the enthusiast league.

It's still an all out competition for the highest score & highest ranking, any cooling goes

...I think I understand better now - TX thumb.gif ...it also seems that what I really should be doing is stay in the enthusiast league, but get myself a LN2 pot - I do have an enclosed balcony biggrin.gif
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