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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

That's meant for extreme overclocking...regular 24/7 air/water overclocking is easier and better using bios and regular tools, but sometimes you need to change settings on the fly for validations and whatnot and when cooling with dry ice or ln2 timing is very important (you don't want your precious coolant to boil on you before you finish the job)


I agree with you.

BIOS setings for stability to protect OS and data on 24/7 system.
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No, no, no, no, no. You used insulated gloves, and a non-conductive surface. There is a reason we use conductive mats on our desks for ESD protection. If you want to wear gloves, use something natural that does not promote the generation of static electricity. The fact you put a band on means nothing if you are wearing an insulator, it just means one side of the capacitor that is your hands is earthed. You want your hands to be conductive, your desk to be conductive and your tools to be conductive. Touching some earthed metal with your insulated gloves is nothing more than superstition. You are discharging that particular spot on your gloves, but there is nothing to conduct any other static to earth.

I know these chips are pretty rugged, and you obviously took some precautions, but please try to understand that the weak links in your protection chain mean it is (a) incomplete, and (b) potentially worse than having no protection at all. Rubber gloves are never good with electronics unless they are conductive ( and for all forms of gloves found by anyone on this board they are _never_ conductive ). If you want to use gloves, use cotton.

Have a read of this : http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/tec/catalog/pdf/chapter4_e_201108.pdf
So you are saying that wearing a properly grounded anti static wrist band, and touching metal with your skin (never said I touched my glove) will be completely negated by wearing vinyl gloves?
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...here is a taste, using an MVE - this is what FtW and IvanL go through when they want to check their email biggrin.gif
..no really

Thats pretty damn awesome. I want to build a case with a LN2 funnel on the top that feeds it to the CPU, but I'm sure people do it in open air because it will ruin the other components, right?
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Thats pretty damn awesome. I want to build a case with a LN2 funnel on the top that feeds it to the CPU, but I'm sure people do it in open air because it will ruin the other components, right?

..."Dragon skin"" etc - for anything that is more than a little below ambient temps, you really need to think about insulating everything...there are LN2 experts here...and who knows, may be one day we even get one who does liquid Helium biggrin.gif
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So you are saying that wearing a properly grounded anti static wrist band, and touching metal with your skin (never said I touched my glove) will be completely negated by wearing vinyl gloves?

Not completely, but enough to be significant. You've moored you boat with really strong chain, but you've tied the chain to the jetty with dental floss.

Semiconductor handling gloves have strands of carbon woven into them to make them dissipative. Any synthetic surface *will* generate static, it's just a matter of how much and how fast. Cotton gloves don't generate static, but they can be a bear to work with and can saturate with sweat.

ESD matts are expensive. Metal cake tins make excellent anti ESD work surfaces if they are earthed. I've also got a stack of anti static foam sheets I use when I do sensitive stuff. I'm not saying dont take precautions, but you need to watch the weak links in the chain. In the wrong circumstances, you can generate lots of volts with rubber gloves, and that undoes all the good of wearing a strap. The charge develops on the outer skin of the glove and just dumps into whatever you touch with it. No snap, no crackle and no pop, just damaged gate layers.

While We are talking about it, bare feet on un-painted concrete floors are much cheaper than ESD matts and booties. Concrete is (relatively) very conductive.

Best thing you can do around home is wear natural fibers and have bare feet.
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on die-TIM: Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: XSPC K2
Mhz gained: Same
OC after delid: 4.5GHz (gonna try higher) at 1.29v
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Right now I'm using Arctic Cooling MX-4 as I don't have anything from Coollaboratory yet tongue.gif I might not end up getting any for a few weeks, that's why I'm going to reapply the MX-4 for the time being.

Also I lied, my iGPU setting was on auto actually, but now it's on disabled. wink.gif

...I bought six 'tubes' of CL Pro and CL U...ended up never using the Pro yet, but am a happy user of CL U...all that said, MX4 is my basic standby - very good in its own right. Here is a vid by a well-known Brazilan over-clocker (it's in Portuguese, but fairly obvious) who compares MX4, CL Pro and CL U. Now, others may have different results, but the point is that MX4 is very good for a non-LM product...there is other good stufff, such as Gelid and the stuff NVidia highly recommends smile.gif
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OCN name: illuz
CPU: 3770k
on die-TIM: Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: Liquid Ultra
Mhz gained: Same
OC after delid: 4.7GHz
Temp drops: 25'c

Prime95 stress testing and I'm at 72 max.

Welcome! You Sir are the 100th member! (bout time we got to 100) tongue.gif Just kidding show off your stuff by wearing your Sig now!
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Wow lots of new blood lately! Congrats & welcome! Valgaur will probably add you sometime today.

Yessir I check daily biggrin.gif
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OCN name: netminder1976
CPU: 3570k
on die-TIM: Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: XSPC K2
Mhz gained: Same
OC after delid: 4.5GHz (gonna try higher) at 1.29v
Temp drops: 24'c




You're In! thumb.gif Throw caution to the wind and show your techiness with the Sig!
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Originally Posted by fnarfbargle View Post

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Not completely, but enough to be significant. You've moored you boat with really strong chain, but you've tied the chain to the jetty with dental floss.

Semiconductor handling gloves have strands of carbon woven into them to make them dissipative. Any synthetic surface *will* generate static, it's just a matter of how much and how fast. Cotton gloves don't generate static, but they can be a bear to work with and can saturate with sweat.

ESD matts are expensive. Metal cake tins make excellent anti ESD work surfaces if they are earthed. I've also got a stack of anti static foam sheets I use when I do sensitive stuff. I'm not saying dont take precautions, but you need to watch the weak links in the chain. In the wrong circumstances, you can generate lots of volts with rubber gloves, and that undoes all the good of wearing a strap. The charge develops on the outer skin of the glove and just dumps into whatever you touch with it. No snap, no crackle and no pop, just damaged gate layers.

While We are talking about it, bare feet on un-painted concrete floors are much cheaper than ESD matts and booties. Concrete is (relatively) very conductive.

Best thing you can do around home is wear natural fibers and have bare feet
Thanks. Helpful info.
I have never actually hurt anything with a static discharge, but I have gotten shocked touching metal right before I was about to grab on of my components. How worried, in real life, do we have to be about hurting our home built pcs with static?
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Thanks. Helpful info.
I have never actually hurt anything with a static discharge, but I have gotten shocked touching metal right before I was about to grab on of my components. How worried, in real life, do we have to be about hurting our home built pcs with static?

It really is a rare occurance, but it is better to wrap it up rather than have a baby if you catch my drift.
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