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Tracking shows my CLU will arrive tomorrow, so a couple of questions in preparation for delidding:

  • I'm disinclined to use CLU between the IHS and my H220 block. I also have on hand the TIM Mate that comes with the H220 and AS5. Which one should I choose?
  • Speaking of AS5, I've always kept mine in the freezer for storage. Is this actually beneficial?
  • Granted, I have an antistatic band and mat, but I do wonder if they're even necessary where I live. Since I'm 2 miles from the ocean and 1 mile from San Diego bay, the only time static becomes an issue is when we have Santa Ana winds, which normally occur during the fall. During most of the year, I could rub my feet on the carpet for 5 minutes and barely get a jolt out of it. I know that I'm better safe than sorry, but given a relatively high humidity environment, what are the chances for static damage?

- AS5 for sure.

- Depends upon the cooling setting of your freezer. But hell, just by saying it's a freezer, then it's a bad idea from speculation.

Extended Temperature Limits:
Peak: –50°C to >180°C
Long-Term: –50°C to 130°C

-A really low chance of that happening, but not impossible. The best thing you could do is wear thin plastic gloves and wear slippers.. I personally used paper towels in a certain way and it worked well.
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Tracking shows my CLU will arrive tomorrow, so a couple of questions in preparation for delidding:

  • I'm disinclined to use CLU between the IHS and my H220 block. I also have on hand the TIM Mate that comes with the H220 and AS5. Which one should I choose?
  • Speaking of AS5, I've always kept mine in the freezer for storage. Is this actually beneficial?
  • Granted, I have an antistatic band and mat, but I do wonder if they're even necessary where I live. Since I'm 2 miles from the ocean and 1 mile from San Diego bay, the only time static becomes an issue is when we have Santa Ana winds, which normally occur during the fall. During most of the year, I could rub my feet on the carpet for 5 minutes and barely get a jolt out of it. I know that I'm better safe than sorry, but given a relatively high humidity environment, what are the chances for static damage?

If you aren’t sure that you want to use CLU on top of the IHS then don’t. I have directly compared the stock H220 TIM to AS5 and saw no statistically significant difference. You could probably get one or two c better with a higher end TIM. I can’t think of a reason to take a chance with static, if you have the stuff just use it, then you won’t have to wonder later if you did some damage however slight.
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45C drop?

Must be a really bad air cooler I must say.

Yeah hyper 212+ with bad static pressure fans plus badly applied mx-4. My cpu was cooking at 95c at 1.25v.
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If you aren’t sure that you want to use CLU on top of the IHS then don’t. I have directly compared the stock H220 TIM to AS5 and saw no statistically significant difference. You could probably get one or two c better with a higher end TIM. I can’t think of a reason to take a chance with static, if you have the stuff just use it, then you won’t have to wonder later if you did some damage however slight.

Why would static be a problem from IHS to block? Also CLU comes off with alcohol from the block, and gives 10c drops or more if applied correctly compared to as5/mx4.
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Why would static be a problem from IHS to block? Also CLU comes off with alcohol from the block, and gives 10c drops or more if applied correctly compared to as5/mx4.
He asked about delidding, so when handling a chip for delidding, yes you should worry about static.

CLU will not come off the block or IHS with alchohol, I have posted extensively about that, including pictures. It needs something else like metal polish and a couple hours.

CLU will give less than a 5c drop vs. other good TIMs when used on top of the IHS. I have tested it several times.
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He asked about delidding, so when handling a chip for delidding, yes you should worry about static.

CLU will not come off the block or IHS with alchohol, I have posted extensively about that, including pictures. It needs something else like metal polish and a couple hours.

CLU will give less than a 5c drop vs. other good TIMs when used on top of the IHS. I have tested it several times.

I took off CLU from my gpu block and cpu block perfectly fine without any polish. CLP I haven't tried yet. And going from mx-4 watercooled to CLP watercooled I got 15c drops not 5c. You have to make sure to apply it carefully and correctly or it doesn't give good performance.

This is with my GPU which the cores are on the block, no IHS, you should know since you have a 690 yourself. As I said CLU doesn't make as much of a difference from the IHS to the block compared to the die to the IHS/Block but it still does make a difference.
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I took off CLU from my gpu block and cpu block perfectly fine without any polish. CLP I haven't tried yet. And going from mx-4 watercooled to CLP watercooled I got 15c drops not 5c. You have to make sure to apply it carefully and correctly or it doesn't give good performance.

This is with my GPU which the cores are on the block, no IHS, you should know since you have a 690 yourself. As I said CLU doesn't make as much of a difference from the IHS to the block compared to the die to the IHS/Block but it still does make a difference.
I mean no offense, but I would need to see pics to believe that you completely removed all traces of CLU from a copper cold plate after months of use with simple alcohol. I tried, spend at least 20 minutes using alcohol and it made little difference to the residue stain left by CLU over an extended period of time.

I have applied a few different TIMs to both my chips many, many times now including CLU. If you got a 15c drop from going from MX4 to CLU then your application of MX-4 was incorrect or your cooler was not installed properly. There are a lot of reviews on the web that show CLU is a few degrees better, nothing remotely close to 15c.
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heres the interior ideas. my current loop layout will go from the dual pump setup to the 5 rads then to the cpu block then the block chain of 7970's or 7950's and then to the left Res and under to the other res on the right back to the pumps.... that sound right?

..LoL smile.gif - just came back from a w-c shopping trip - that 3970X can draw close to 400w plus minus on OC, pictures in a few days... Regarding your layout above, I think you want the pump (at least one) on the 'cold' side of the rads, sitting between 'rad-cold-out' and 'CPU-in'...with the res just ahead and above the pump
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I mean no offense, but I would need to see pics to believe that you completely removed all traces of CLU from a copper cold plate after months of use with simple alcohol. I tried, spend at least 20 minutes using alcohol and it made little difference to the residue stain left by CLU over an extended period of time.

I have applied a few different TIMs to both my chips many, many times now including CLU. If you got a 15c drop from going from MX4 to CLU then your application of MX-4 was incorrect or your cooler was not installed properly. There are a lot of reviews on the web that show CLU is a few degrees better, nothing remotely close to 15c.

Well it was more like 2 weeks of use rather than a month. It does not harden like clp but I guess it would make removing easier. Can't post pics because I already sanded every surface to make them flatter for the best application of pro. Also, ihs to block I don't expect 15c but die straight to gpu block.. 15c is what I got.
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Well it was more like 2 weeks of use rather than a month. It does not harden like clp but I guess it would make removing easier. Can't post pics because I already sanded every surface to make them flatter for the best application of pro. Also, ihs to block I don't expect 15c but die straight to gpu block.. 15c is what I got.
Ok, I thought you meant exact same setup, going from one TIM to CLU you got 15c; direct die and CLU together make sense.

In my experience, CLU will not harden between the die and IHS, but it will between the IHS and a cooler, at least two different copper coolers I tested.

I think CLU or CLP on the die is great (most agree on that), and I like on the IHS too, but I just like to warn people they might have trouble getting all the residue stain completely removed from the IHS and their cooler over time if they use it on top of the IHS. It can be done, it is just a lot of work.
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