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OCN name: lucas.vulcan
CPU: 3770K
on die-TIM: MX-4
ihs-TIM: MX-4
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.5GHZ
Temp drops: OCCT 8h = 68-74-78-77 for each cores
CPU-Z validation of max OC:

for best results you advise me which:

Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
Coollaboratory Liquid PRO
Arctic Silver 5
Prolimatech PK-3
Edited by lucas.vulcan - 5/25/13 at 8:58pm
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Does Coollaboratory liquid ultra go bad?

I have a tube of this stuff, I've only used half of it, and like it wouldn't come out, it was stuck. So I used a needle to sort of push it around, unplug it, and it's just all powder. I'm thiking either 2 things happened, 1 is that when I used the stuff some of the solid stuff in it got clumped and I just sort of pushed only the liquid out (like liquid through a cheesecloth or sponge), or the stuff went bad (i always cover it, only used it twice...).

Like I got half a tube, and it's all just like powder. It doesnt even really seem dried out, it just seems like the powder stuff or something. Maybe I should RMA? I mean this is a serious jip...

I unplugged it, i pull the plunger all the way back, and I can just shake it around, just clumps/powder stuff. When I pull a bit out with the needle... it's all just sort of fine powder. I've only had it a few months, surely others have a similar experience?

When it clogs like that just put it in the sink and run how water over it for a couple minutes. That should make it liquid form again.

haha thanks but that didn't work at all. it's just powder in there. There is a tiny, tiny piece of liquid metal as it should be, like the tiniest of drops. There's some sort of cheesecloth affect going on or something here.
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Originally Posted by lucas.vulcan View Post

OCN name: lucas.vulcan
CPU: 3770K
on die-TIM: MX-4
ihs-TIM: MX-4
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.5GHZ
Temp drops: OCCT 8h = 68-74-78-77 for each cores
CPU-Z validation of max OC:

for best results you advise me which:

Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
Coollaboratory Liquid PRO
Arctic Silver 5
Prolimatech PK-3

...I've had the best results with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra (see temps in spoiler)...for non liquid-metal situations, I prefer MX4 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
post #18614 of 33787
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

haha thanks but that didn't work at all. it's just powder in there. There is a tiny, tiny piece of liquid metal as it should be, like the tiniest of drops. There's some sort of cheesecloth affect going on or something here.

Powder form eh?

Take some up the nostril and see if you get a buzz.
post #18615 of 33787
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Originally Posted by Joa3d43 View Post

...I've had the best results with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra (see temps in spoiler)...for non liquid-metal situations, I prefer MX4 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Merci Joad3d43
I already use the MX-4 but as you can see the time around 80 C, I will take the L-ULTRA but looking on another forum (I just read on the net that sometimes assembly is welded very strong between the cooler and the ihs) is discouraged me when do you think?
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Merci Joad3d43
I already use the MX-4 but as you can see the time around 80 C, I will take the L-ULTRA but looking on another forum (I just read on the net that sometimes assembly is welded very strong between the cooler and the ihs) is discouraged me when do you think?
I have posted a lot about this, and I can go into detail if you want. To keep it simple just use Ultra on the die, and any good TIM on the IHS. You might get better temps with Ultra on the IHS too, but it depends on your particular setup and how well your IHS and cooler match up. Best case is usually 3c better with Ultra on the IHS vs. some other good TIM.

On the die you definitely want to use a liquid metal TIM though. If you do use Ultra on the IHS it will most likely dry out over time, and you will have to use just a bit of force to pull them apart, but it is really not a big deal. All the residue will clean up with metal polish. I use Ultra on the IHS for both my chips, but I don’t recommend it to people unless they are prepared to go through the trouble of cleaning it up when you eventually pull them apart.
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Merci Joad3d43
I already use the MX-4 but as you can see the time around 80 C, I will take the L-ULTRA but looking on another forum (I just read on the net that sometimes assembly is welded very strong between the cooler and the ihs) is discouraged me when do you think?

...I have used Liquid Ultra on both the die AND the IHS on several assemblies without any problem...as far as I recall, Liquid Ulltra on the IHS (in addition to Liquid Ultra on the die) lowered my temps a further 3.5 to 5 C compared to MX4 on the IHS (the latter I tend to use when I have a very concave IHS / convex CPU block as you have to use liquid metal solutions sparingly - not enough to bridge concave/convex spaces).

I add that on the occasion when I had to removed the TIM (ie when upgrading a water-block), the Liquid Ultra came off the IHS fine with a careful cleaning w/Isoporpanol - no 'eating' the laser-edged Intel codes etc after 2-3 mth at least... Bon chance smile.gif
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...honestly, best just to go to CL's web site...they have YouTube video of how to apply it on the IHS (very thinly)...same holds for the on-die application...I used the included little red-handle brush, making sure no hairs got stuck on the die (same for Q-tip)...just remember that CL-U is Liquid Metal and thus capacitive and conductive...you don't want any squeezing off onto the PCB (or your mobo) where contact points are.

...really just take a small drop and 'paint it on' for full coverage without excess...and also: Do not use it for sub-zero applications smile.gif

I took your advice and tried to do my best rolleyes.gif
At first I thought there was especial directions about the on-die application, that's why I asked biggrin.gif

When I first pushed the plunger the LM didn't came out, and then suddenly a big drop appeared and I had to suck it back to the syringe (or at least tried to) gunner.gif
The die after using the tiny red brush:



I know I used a lot but that thing was hard to control out of the syringe hahaha

My idle temps keep in the mid 30s, but after some testing with Prime95 (blend test) my final thoughts are that the new max sits around 72°C whereas before delidding they were around 90°C

BEFORE DELIDDING: In this test I used a blend test for ~15 minutes with a previous version of Prime95 (didn't know there was a new optimized one lol)

FREQ: 4600.00Mhz
Vcore: 1.336V
POWER CONSUPTION: 91.4W
MAX TEMPS: 84 92 89 85




AFTER DELIDDING: For this test I used a blend test for ~45 minutes with the latest version of Prime95:

FREQ: 4600.12Mhz
Vcore: 1.336V
POWER CONSUPTION: 98.7W
MAX TEMPS: 70 74 74 73



This means a 18°C temp drop from hottest core even considering that the before-delid tests were done with lower ambient temps thumb.gif
I would like to do more testing in a controlled ambient temp, because where I live we have pretty high temps nowadays (above 30°C most of the day)

Time to correct this info then:

on die-TIM: CooLaboratory Liquid Metal Ultra
ihs-TIM: Arctic Cooling MX-4
Mhz gained: NA
OC after delid: 4600.09Mhz
Temp drops: ~18°C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2813657
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...and also: Do not use it for sub-zero applications smile.gif

I didn't knew about this!
Due to what? confused.gif

I don't do any sub-zero (only near-zero tongue.gif) cooling but I would like to know =P
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It hardens and stops transferring heat properly below certain temps...
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I took your advice and tried to do my best rolleyes.gif
...I don't do any sub-zero (only near-zero tongue.gif) cooling but I would like to know =P
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

It hardens and stops transferring heat properly below certain temps...

...per Ivan's reply...it 'pumps out' at sub zero quicker than you can pull the power plug as your CPU temp shoot up mad.gif ...this I know from FtW420 (OCN Benchmark Editor) who apparently watched this happening within a few seconds of kicking in 'sub-zero'... mad.gif

...furthermore...for some reasons, if you re-assemble your delidded Ivy with MX4 or MX2 and then go sub-zero, it will not oc as high as it would have if you never delidded it in the first place...so 'subzero guys' tend to look for CPUs that have never been deldded when they go 'binning'...all that said, unless you plan to freeze things below 0 (never mind down to -189 or more), delidding w/LM is the way to go smile.gif
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