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Sorry, but why are you guys worried about the resistors up top? If the IHS goes over them then they're lower height than the die itself and thus shorting isn't an issue.

EDIT: For LN2, dielectric grease and cover with some teflon pipe thread tape.





Anyhoo regarding Haswell....I really want one to turn loose my direct die + chilled water loop on it, which pretty much makes thermal throttling non-issue for me on my 3770k no matter the voltage. Then we can see how well it really overclocks.
Edited by dr/owned - 6/3/13 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by gl0ry View Post

Got my 3770k! It's batch # 3243C807 Costa Rica / C Stepping. Hoping for some nice overclocking magic here.

Delidded straight out of the box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu03beZlOjw

Waiting for some more hardware before I test it!

Why is everyone wearing some kind of gloves when doing the vise method delidding? Is it safe to do it bare handed or should I get some gloves? Is this an antistatic measure or something else?

Btw guys here are two stupid questions before I finally perform the delid:
1. When applying CLU on the die should I also apply some to the underside of the IHS? I've seen some guys do that and i've been wondering if you'll get better temps that way or not.
2. Would it be safe to use normal masking tape to tape the pcb to the vise and afterwards clean the contact points with isopropyl alcohol?

Thanks in advance.
Edited by Ukkooh - 6/3/13 at 1:38pm
     
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Originally posted by dr/owned

 

Sorry, but why are you guys worried about the resistors up top? If the IHS goes over them then they're lower height than the die itself and thus shorting isn't an issue.

The worry isn't the IHS touching them, it's the risk of the liquid metal TIM accidentally getting on them.

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Originally Posted by gl0ry View Post

Got my 3770k! It's batch # 3243C807 Costa Rica / C Stepping. Hoping for some nice overclocking magic here.

Delidded straight out of the box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu03beZlOjw

Waiting for some more hardware before I test it!

Why is everyone wearing some kind of gloves when doing the vise method delidding? Is it safe to do it bare handed or should I get some gloves? Is this an antistatic measure or something else?

Btw guys here are two stupid questions before I finally perform the delid:
1. When applying CLU on the die should I also apply some to the underside of the IHS? I've seen some guys do that and i've been wondering if you'll get better temps that way or not.
2. Would it be safe to use normal painting tape to tape the pcb to the vise and afterwards clean the contact points with isopropyl alcohol?

Thanks in advance.

I wore gloves because it gives me better grip on stuff and I wear them when I'm doing anything involving tools (like safety goggles for my hands). They weren't anti-static in any way. As long as you aren't touching the contacts while walking on shag carpet, these chips are extremely hard to damage. They have static discharge protection integrated.

1. No just apply to die only and as thin as possible.
2. Yes you can use tape and clean any residue off. I pretty much soaked my entire CPU in isopropyl while removing the sealant and it was fine. As long as you don't swing for the fences you sohuldn't be popping the IHS off very much.
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Originally posted by dr/owned

Sorry, but why are you guys worried about the resistors up top? If the IHS goes over them then they're lower height than the die itself and thus shorting isn't an issue.
The worry isn't the IHS touching them, it's the risk of the liquid metal TIM accidentally getting on them.

Ah. I have some teflon tape with adhesive backing that might work. I don't know yet how tall the haswell die is, but if it's .5mm like Ivy then the tape might be too thick...will measure with calipers when i get home.

Still just putting a ribbon of teflon tape (without adhesive backing) down over those components would probably shield them well enough.
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I love liquid electrical tape, but it's much harder to remove than a non conductive TIM. I personally wouldn't put it on any surface that could be damaged by abrasion...like a PCB.

You'll notice in that video that they don't mention or show the removal of the liquid tape, it's not going to dissolve with Alcohol or any readily available solvent...that won't also damage your PCB.

I've been putting LET on all my mobos & gpus for a couple years, never scratched a PCB removing it when I need to. Just have to use a fingernail to get an edge lifted, then peel it off. Might have to use tweezers to get any tiny ripped bits for a perfect clean up, but taking 30 seconds to do it instead of 2 seconds can keep the PCB pristine.
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Sorry, but why are you guys worried about the resistors up top? If the IHS goes over them then they're lower height than the die itself and thus shorting isn't an issue.

EDIT: For LN2, dielectric grease and cover with some teflon pipe thread tape.





Anyhoo regarding Haswell....I really want one to turn loose my direct die + chilled water loop on it, which pretty much makes thermal throttling non-issue for me on my 3770k no matter the voltage. Then we can see how well it really overclocks.

For Ln2, don't delid, at least until someone finds out if it behaves the same as ivy did, where delidding turned golden chips into average chips for extreme cooling.
    
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Kinda sucks we have to delid in order to OC with decent temps. Damn you intel =*(.

Considering waiting for Ivy-E or just nabbing a 4770k with a Maximus board once released. But let me get this straight...Been reading around constantly. If I do indeed go through with this, plan to use the hammer vice method. Clean off the residue from the IHS/PCB with a credit card and clean the IHS/CPU with 100% Isopropyl aclohol with a cue-tip. Once I've done that, place Arctic mx4 to cover the exposed circuitry here? How much would I actually have to put on? Enough to coat it and make sure there is no exposed contact? Or?



after the mx4 cover up....Apply Liquid pro directly on die with cue-tip as well as the bottom of the IHS that makes contact with the cpu die.....

Does that pretty much cover it or am I missing anything? Not new to oc'ing, but this will be my first delid....Bit worried I might screw it up, which Is why I don't want to do the razer blade method...lol.
Edited by Kamrooz - 6/3/13 at 2:04pm
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Kinda sucks we have to delid in order to OC with decent temps. Damn you intel >_<<br />
Considering waiting for Ivy-E or just nabbing a 4770k with a Maximus board once released. But let me get this straight...Been reading around constantly. If I do indeed go through with this, plan to use the hammer vice method. Clean off the residue from the IHS/PCB with a credit card and clean the IHS/CPU with 100% Isopropyl aclohol with a cue-tip. Once I've done that, place Arctic mx4 to cover the exposed circuitry here? How much would I actually have to put on? Enough to coat it and make sure there is no exposed contact? Or?



after the mx4 cover up....Apply Liquid pro directly on die with cue-tip as well as the bottom of the IHS that makes contact with the cpu die.....

Does that pretty much cover it or am I missing anything? Not new to oc'ing, but this will be my first delid....Bit worried I might screw it up, which Is why I don't want to do the razer blade method...lol.

They don't have to be delidded for great clocks, there is also cooling to look at. Most people would just prefer to delid & use air/water cooling to run 4.5 - 4.8Ghz, but higher clocks are still doable without delidding if the chip is cooled well enough.
    
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I'm anal about cooling. ATM I have a i7 920 running @ 4ghz with a Thermal Ultra 120 extreme. But I'm having the upgrade itch and I do not want to see temps above 80c....lol.

I was considering a top end phantek cooler or just nabbing a NZXT Kraken to cool the beast. But I want to make sure I got the delidding procedure down before I attempt it...Did I miss any steps?
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They don't have to be delidded for great clocks, there is also cooling to look at. Most people would just prefer to delid & use air/water cooling to run 4.5 - 4.8Ghz, but higher clocks are still doable without delidding if the chip is cooled well enough.
The amount of effort i would have to put into getting at 4.8 without deliding is either winning the silicon lottery or chilled wc setup to keep temps under 80. Stop being silly, for proper and safe overclock for most chips out there this is necessary if you care about the longevity of your chip within safe temperatures.
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