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^^ I don't think you will find floss thin enough to get under the IHS. Even if you do, it probably won't be strong enough to do anything without snapping. No reason not to start with the vise method.

What about mint flavored floss? At least the CPU might get some minty freshness.
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Don't do it. My chip has degraded quite badly and needs to be replaced now....just a month or two of running at this voltage. Temps weren't the issue because of direct die + chilled water.
I'm telling you, the package mechanical drawing has changed noticeably from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. This document isn't publicly available yet (4th Generation Intel Core Processors and Intel Xeon Processor E3‐1200 v3 Product Family Package Mechanical Drawings), so I can't post it, but eventually it'll show up in Appendix B of this document: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/4th-gen-core-lga1150-socket-guide.pdf

It's a bit of a head scratcher why it's still unreleased.

How badly has it degraded? I'm running 4.9ghz@1.39 volts, thinking of trying for a 5 ghz for 24/7 use, just not sure how much more voltage I'll need and how quickly it'll degrade my chip, been running at 4.9 now since ivy release, so roughly 12 months
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Don't do it. My chip has degraded quite badly and needs to be replaced now....just a month or two of running at this voltage. Temps weren't the issue because of direct die + chilled water.
I'm telling you, the package mechanical drawing has changed noticeably from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. This document isn't publicly available yet (4th Generation Intel Core Processors and Intel Xeon Processor E3‐1200 v3 Product Family Package Mechanical Drawings), so I can't post it, but eventually it'll show up in Appendix B of this document: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/4th-gen-core-lga1150-socket-guide.pdf

It's a bit of a head scratcher why it's still unreleased.

How badly has it degraded? I'm running 4.9ghz@1.39 volts, thinking of trying for a 5 ghz for 24/7 use, just not sure how much more voltage I'll need and how quickly it'll degrade my chip, been running at 4.9 now since ivy release, so roughly 12 months

I used to be able to run 5.1 (what's in my sig) @ 1.65 and 5.0 @ 1.575 (and I think 4.8 @ 1.4, but I can't remember if it was 4.8 or 4.7). Now I can't even run 4.9 @ 1.55 without getting ocassional bsods and programs randomly crashing in windows. It also seems to be getting worse, like once it's degraded the degradation becomes exponential (see: bathtub curve).

I would suggest sticking to Intel specs and not exceeding 1.52V under any circumstance.
Edited by dr/owned - 6/4/13 at 10:57am
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How badly has it degraded? I'm running 4.9ghz@1.39 volts, thinking of trying for a 5 ghz for 24/7 use, just not sure how much more voltage I'll need and how quickly it'll degrade my chip, been running at 4.9 now since ivy release, so roughly 12 months
I have not heard of anyone degrading an Ivy chip with less than 1.5v and reasonable temps, so you should be good with 5.0. If you are not at the wall I would think 1.45v or so might do it.

Supposedly we are supposed to be ok up to 1.55v, but I am not sure I would be comfortable with more than 1.5v for 24/7.
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I used to be able to run 5.1 (what's in my sig) @ 1.65 and 5.0 @ 1.575 (and I think 4.8 @ 1.4, but I can't remember if it was 4.8 or 4.7). Now I can't even run 4.9 @ 1.55 without getting ocassional bsods and programs randomly crashing in windows. It also seems to be getting worse, like once it's degraded the degradation becomes exponential (see: bathtub curve).

I would suggest sticking to Intel specs and not exceeding 1.52V under any circumstance.
Hmm..if I can get it stable at 1.44 or below I guess I'll keep it at 5.0, otherwise it's going back to 4.9
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I have not heard of anyone degrading an Ivy chip with less than 1.5v and reasonable temps, so you should be good with 5.0. If you are not at the wall I would think 1.45v or so might do it.

Supposedly we are supposed to be ok up to 1.55v, but I am not sure I would be comfortable with more than 1.5v for 24/7.
How long have you been running your 3770k @ 5 ghz and what voltage?
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How long have you been running your 3770k @ 5 ghz and what voltage?
Just since Jan, I use 1.41v on both my 3770k chips (just a coincidence they are the same). One does 5.0 the other 4.8. Zero problems so far. I read a lot of oc posts, and as I said I have not heard of any problems with less than 1.5v and reasonable temps.

I would think you would be fine at 5.0 if you are below 1.5v, and good temps. I am not sure I would run high 1.4s if I was stressing the machine 24/7 with folding or such and had high temps though.
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My 3570k took 1.45v to run 5.0. Didnt feel the need to stay there, or like running that much voltage. I rather be able to sell my chip down the road and not feel I might of sold it with the chance it wont hold up. It may of been fine, but why risk it for slightly more speed I wont even notice.
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My 3570k took 1.45v to run 5.0. Didnt feel the need to stay there, or like running that much voltage. I rather be able to sell my chip down the road and not feel I might of sold it with the chance it wont hold up. It may of been fine, but why risk it for slightly more speed I wont even notice.
because that's what we do here biggrin.gif
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Dental floss is way too weak to cut that glue...
Unless your dental floss is made for a T Rex, it won't work.
Just my 50p (lol)
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