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Quick question, do I have a decent i5-3570k? 4.5Ghz @ 1.28V, 4.6Ghz @ 1.325V, 4.7Ghz @ 1.375V?
Thanks!

It sounds like you have an average one, maybe slightly above. Can you do 4.8, 4.9, 5ghz if you go up to 1.4-1.5v (make sure temps stay below 90C of course)? What can you boot on 1.3v?

Doesn't sound like you have an 'awesome' chip or golden one, ie 5ghz@1.39-1.43, but you might have a great one still. Mine was able to do 4.8@1.4, 4.9@1.45, 5@1.5v.
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The way I see the i5 vs i7 debate:
Gamers = go or an i5 and spend the extra money on a better GPU
Anything else, apart from gaming (ie video editing which i do quite a bit) HT is useful thus the i7 (if you got the cash that said)

I don't necessarily agree. If you have to ask, then you shouldn't get the i7. The i5 is more than capable of holding it's own on video editing, multi-threaded applicatoins, etc. Hyperthreading is only going to give you a 20-40% performance boost best case scenario. And that has to be in tasks that you are hitting 95%+ on the i5.

If you got an i7, turn off HT and run your same task and see if you get a significant performance increase or over 95% utilization. I mean I do heavily multi-threaded tasks, I do h264 on very, very slow presets, and even though the i7 was a sizeable increase in performance over the i5 for streaming, an i5 still could do the job very, very well. I'm a semi-professional streamer so if an i5 is good enough for me, it can be good enough for almost anyone.

Problem is people say things like 'well i sometimes run minesweeper AND solitaire' and people just respond with I SEVEN, I SEVEN, MUST BE I SEVEN and it's just ridiculous.

With chips being thermally limited, basically, you are better off putting money into better cooling and better RAM (if you are using programs that rely on HT, then you are likely using programs that appreciate 2000mhz+ RAM).

I've never heard anyone say 'my i5 is just too slow for what i do' or 'my i7 is maxing out in what i do'. 95% of users only game, as TB stated just get an i5, but even the 5% that do heavy programs aren't really pushing an i5 to it's limits, most of the time.

That said I bought my i7 because the profit margin was too great to pass up. Ended up making a profit well of about 100% on it in the end.
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It sounds like you have an average one, maybe slightly above. Can you do 4.8, 4.9, 5ghz if you go up to 1.4-1.5v (make sure temps stay below 90C of course)? What can you boot on 1.3v?

Doesn't sound like you have an 'awesome' chip or golden one, ie 5ghz@1.39-1.43, but you might have a great one still. Mine was able to do 4.8@1.4, 4.9@1.45, 5@1.5v.
I'm working on 4.8ghz right now. Ill let you guys know. Another noob question, how much does ram affect cpu overclocking? at all?
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I'm working on 4.8ghz right now. Ill let you guys know. Another noob question, how much does ram affect cpu overclocking? at all?


Up to 4.5 Ghz on my 3570k the only thing I've adjusted has been Vcore and Multiplier, set the LLC to Turbo and the Turbo Current limits to 200a and 300w. Not sure if by adjusting other settings my temps or required voltages may drop, not messed with Offset overclocking at all.
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I'm working on 4.8ghz right now. Ill let you guys know. Another noob question, how much does ram affect cpu overclocking? at all?

It can certainly throw you off and make you unsure of what is causing instability if you don't pass prime blend tests. I overclocked both at the same time because I was confident I could find stability since I had good memory modules and a nice chip.

I'd honestly suggest just focusing on cpu then moving to memory if you wish. Sometimes memory isn't even worth overclocking, barely any real world difference, just synthetic, but it's nice knowing you overclocked everything in your system that you could. That's my opinion anyways.
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It can certainly throw you off and make you unsure of what is causing instability if you don't pass prime blend tests. I overclocked both at the same time because I was confident I could find stability since I had good memory modules and a nice chip.

I'd honestly suggest just focusing on cpu then moving to memory if you wish. Sometimes memory isn't even worth overclocking, barely any real world difference, just synthetic, but it's nice knowing you overclocked everything in your system that you could. That's my opinion anyways.
So at 4.8ghz @1.4V I am "stable" but google chrome will crash if I am also running prime, this happens all the way up to 1.475V. Whats happening here? Prime gives no errors and if prime is not running chrome is fine.
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So at 4.8ghz @1.4V I am "stable" but google chrome will crash if I am also running prime, this happens all the way up to 1.475V. Whats happening here? Prime gives no errors and if prime is not running chrome is fine.
I bet you're still getting whea errors. Its most likely not stable.
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It can certainly throw you off and make you unsure of what is causing instability if you don't pass prime blend tests. I overclocked both at the same time because I was confident I could find stability since I had good memory modules and a nice chip.

I'd honestly suggest just focusing on cpu then moving to memory if you wish. Sometimes memory isn't even worth overclocking, barely any real world difference, just synthetic, but it's nice knowing you overclocked everything in your system that you could. That's my opinion anyways.

Did you find tweaking PLL, VTT, or IMC had any noticeable effect on your temps? I guess I could disable the power save features as well since I'm not using offset, but does this really matter?
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So at 4.8ghz @1.4V I am "stable" but google chrome will crash if I am also running prime, this happens all the way up to 1.475V. Whats happening here? Prime gives no errors and if prime is not running chrome is fine.

Then you're probably not stable. When I did my 16 hour test I was doing a bunch of stuff in the back ground which included using chrome, or watching movies.
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Did you find tweaking PLL, VTT, or IMC had any noticeable effect on your temps? I guess I could disable the power save features as well since I'm not using offset, but does this really matter?

I left all of those at AUTO. The Z77 Mpower is a great board and pretty much puts all those values at a proper amount. It left PLL at 1.80v which is what I used to use back when I overclocked my 2600k, so I can't really answer your question because I don't know if they have a noticeable effect.

The biggest difference in stability for me was disabling phase control. That seemed to have finalized my overclock and rounded temperatures off a bit better. Even though the max was still about the same, it mostly floated around high 50s - low 60s Celsius
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Well lads... I killed a 3770k tonight...

Tried vice and hammer method on a friends 3770k... Poor lads cpu flew out of the vice (Even though had it gripped tight!) and broke one of the circuits on the underside.

RIP 3770k

Bought him a replacement who-let-rip-smiley.png

You broke my 3970x also, just send me a check for $1,000, I will replace it myself. biggrin.gif
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