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You can't blame the company for it, mine arrived with a lot in my syringe, it actually is all up to the customs agents. In the states, if you buy it from CL's website; more than likely your package will be opened and tested to see if you aren't importing dangerous metals. If you purchase it through a large company, they won't be as strict as with individuals. I know mine came with only a bit taken off (only on the CLP) and the CLU was untouched.
Oh? I bought mine through frozencpu. Seems like it has nothing in it almost. I was pretty surprised.rolleyes.gif

But I can always buy more later, if need be.

You reaaally don't need a lot of it though, it spreads out like crazy smile.gif
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You can't blame the company for it, mine arrived with a lot in my syringe, it actually is all up to the customs agents. In the states, if you buy it from CL's website; more than likely your package will be opened and tested to see if you aren't importing dangerous metals. If you purchase it through a large company, they won't be as strict as with individuals. I know mine came with only a bit taken off (only on the CLP) and the CLU was untouched.
Oh? I bought mine through frozencpu. Seems like it has nothing in it almost. I was pretty surprised.rolleyes.gif

But I can always buy more later, if need be.

You reaaally don't need a lot of it though, it spreads out like crazy smile.gif

Don't drown it in CLU but you have to have quite a bit. Or else it won't be enough for each of them to touch each other and that's where the problems start.
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Don't drown it in CLU but you have to have quite a bit. Or else it won't be enough for each of them to touch each other and that's where the problems start.
Agreed, I certainly have enough to fix the issue as far as the die. However, I'm not sure I'll have enough to use between the IHS and waterblock. We shall see. (My amount of CLU was beneath the 7 or 8 line when I started).
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Agreed, I certainly have enough to fix the issue as far as the die. However, I'm not sure I'll have enough to use between the IHS and heatsink. We shall see. (My amount of CLU was beneath the 7 or 8 line when I started).

You need a thinner layer on the IHS than on the die. That's because the heatsink is tightened on the IHS so the metals will be in touch and CLU will just have to fill in the anomalies. The inside of the IHS and the die aren't in contact though (at least on mine) so you need more CLU there as it's the connecting part.
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Appreciate it guys, this will definitely help me get that extra 10C now! Makes a lot more sense. I'll update with my new temps when I get a chance to mess with my CPU tomorow. I'm glad I've had some results and didn't break anything though

Night! biggrin.gif
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Appreciate it guys, this will definitely help me get that extra 10C now! Makes a lot more sense. I'll update with my new temps when I get a chance to mess with my CPU tomorow. I'm glad I've had some results and didn't break anything though

Night! biggrin.gif

The amount of CLU you use on the die is critical. I reapplied my CLU some days ago and my temps got worse by >10C. I went back and added a little more on the die and good temps were restored. So we're talking about a difference of 10-15C between a good and a bad CLU application.

If you think you've used too little CLU on the die then don't clean it up, just add to it (since have little amount). Make sure you paint the under side of the IHS too, right on the stain from the original TIM.

To conserve some more CLU try picking some from the edge of the syringe and the blue cap, I'm sure they're swimming in CLU. wink.gif
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I delidded my 3570k awhile back when I went for a high oc on my sub-ambient cooled computer (-35C). After reading a bit of the recent posts I guess I may have been better off not to, but I haven't seen the reason, anyone know why it's recommended to not delid with cold temps? I never tested it before I delidded, so I wouldn't have any useful info for the topic either.
On another note, I'm looking to build a new portable gaming rig, using an asrock z87e-itx. I'm putting it together now, but am fairly sure I'm not going to score a great overclock with an itx board, even if the chip isn't bad. It will be cooled by a regular, non super cooled, H100i, so I"m up in the air about delidding this one.
I would be more inclined to do it if the knife method was "safe". Is it much harder to not damage the chip/pcb/caps, than it was delidding an ivy bridge? I delidded my ivy with no problems, just took my time with a small razor. I understand there are now printed caps under the IHS, but can't they be worked around?
The hammer/vice method just looks ridiculous to me lol, and I don't think I would do that myself, nothing against the innovators and successful people doing it, I'm just not in the habit of hitting my $300 processors with a hammer, which I think says alot coming from a guy that has put some of his parts through chilled oil cooling.

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Edited by NamesLucky - 8/14/13 at 10:54am
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I delidded my 3570k awhile back when I went for a high oc on my sub-ambient cooled computer (-35C). After reading a bit of the recent posts I guess I may have been better off not to, but I haven't seen the reason, anyone know why it's recommended to not delid with cold temps? I never tested it before I delidded, so I wouldn't have any useful info for the topic either.
On another note, I'm looking to build a new portable gaming rig, using an asrock z87e-itx. I'm putting it together now, but am fairly sure I'm not going to score a great overclock with an itx board, even if the chip isn't bad. It will be cooled by a regular, non super cooled, H100i, so I"m up in the air about this delidding this one.
I would be more inclined to do it if the knife method was "safe". Is it much harder to not damage the chip/pcb/caps, than it was delidding an ivy bridge? I delidded my ivy with no problems, just took my time with a small razor. I understand there are not printed caps under the IHS, but can't they be worked around?
The hammer/vice method just looks ridiculous to me lol, and I don't think I would do that myself, nothing against the innovators and successful people doing it, I'm just not in the habit of hitting my $300 processors with a hammer, which I think says alot coming from a guy that has put some of his parts through chilled oil cooling.

First off, the cold temps part. I have read that for some reason if you delid your chip it won't be able to reach as high clocks as before when you do LN2/DICE runs. We're talking about a 200-300MHz drop, still upward of 5.5GHz IIRC. Also at very cold temps you're running the risk of having the TIM pump out effect happen, which is when the TIM under the IHS spreads instantly out of place and your chip dies from very high temps.

If you want to be on the safe side I wouldn't suggest you to delid a Haswell until this thing with the cracked dies either goes away or is figured out.

And the fact that delidding with a hammer seems crazy even to you doesn't say anything BTW.
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First off, the cold temps part. I have read that for some reason if you delid your chip it won't be able to reach as high clocks as before when you do LN2/DICE runs. We're talking about a 200-300MHz drop, still upward of 5.5GHz IIRC. Also at very cold temps you're running the risk of having the TIM pump out effect happen, which is when the TIM under the IHS spreads instantly out of place and your chip dies from very high temps.

If you want to be on the safe side I wouldn't suggest you to delid a Haswell until this thing with the cracked dies either goes away or is figured out.

Thanks, never heard of the TIM pump out effect, but I wasn't at LN temps, so maybe that didn't affect me. I think I'm leaning towards not delidding as well, but just wanted to know the difficulty level of knife method ivy vs haswell if anyone has experience. These cracked die are bad, and if resultant of uneven pressure from IHS and not stress from the hammer/vice method it is not something I would risk trying right now.
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And the fact that delidding with a hammer seems crazy even to you doesn't say anything BTW.

Not sure if this was meant as insult? Either way, thanks for the response, appreciate the advice on waiting to delid.
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Not sure if this was meant as insult? Either way, thanks for the response, appreciate the advice on waiting to delid.

It wasn't meant as an insult, rather than just a reminder that you need proof to convince someone about something on OCN, especially here when the hammer and vise method has such a high success rate. The fact that you've experimented with exotic cooling doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than the rest of us on the matter of the hammer.
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