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My Delidding Journey kookoo.gif









Before (Stock TIM, Raystorm WB, triple radiator custom loop):




After (Noctua nh-t1 on die and on wb):



I went with Noctua nh-t1 as it is safer than CLU (in my case, haswell bs), when I upped the clock to 4.7 I started getting pre-delid like temps thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif:




So I grabbed my b@!!$ and put some CLU on die, nh-t1 on block and...drum.gif:





I am a believer in CLU, don't waste your time like I stupidly did.


Now to the showoff bruce.gif
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Sorry, i edited and you maybe didn't see~

For x264 test, see here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/10980_30#post_21941059

I have not ran this particular version yet, but should be good. If you get asked, use 8 threads for encoding on 4670k (2x per core)

x264 is not a perfect catch-all test, so you sometimes have to make adjustments afterwards to stop whea's or crashes. You should be able to make an OC that will never show any signs of instability with some level of ease and no ridiculous temperatures though.

Thanks for the link man. Shaved 25C off my normal 4.4ghz @ 1.15v OC. I did however have to go all the way up to 1.22v for the 4.5 test due to getting MCE crashes every step until then. Still, I never went past 70C on it.
 
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Thanks for the link man. Shaved 25C off my normal 4.4ghz @ 1.15v OC. I did however have to go all the way up to 1.22v for the 4.5 test due to getting MCE crashes every step until then. Still, I never went past 70C on it.

i'm somewhere around peaking 70 hottest core w/ 45@1.265 4c4t @20c ambient with silver arrow i think. Good airflow, soon to be better, but that doesn't really seem to help temps as much as it keeps them from rising over longer sessions (basically at all)

Can get pretty good CPU load now

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i'm somewhere around peaking 70 hottest core w/ 45@1.265 4c4t @20c ambient with silver arrow i think. Good airflow, soon to be better, but that doesn't really seem to help temps as much as it keeps them from rising over longer sessions (basically at all)

Can get pretty good CPU load now

I found that most cases seem to get a buildup of warm air above the CPU heatsink... This takes time, but slowly the temps start rising because of that.

My 4440 is running in a 550D with a stock cooler, and when I don't have a top fan P95 gets the CPU to 85c in 30 sec, but after 10 more minutes temps are getting into high 90s. With top fan it peaks at around 92-94, there is still a buildup, but smaller.
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I found that most cases seem to get a buildup of warm air above the CPU heatsink... This takes time, but slowly the temps start rising because of that.

My 4440 is running in a 550D with a stock cooler, and when I don't have a top fan P95 gets the CPU to 85c in 30 sec, but after 10 more minutes temps are getting into high 90s. With top fan it peaks at around 92-94, there is still a buildup, but smaller.

My build (got a pic in sig) won't have that problem biggrin.gif (though i'm still messing with fan orientation and need my 3x 120mm front)

With a very small heatsink like the stock cooler or some of the smaller air coolers, there is a real heat buildup over time, one of the benefits of something big like a Silver Arrow is less effect from liquid or heatsink heating up, just solid flat temps

Delid still overpowered though, -20c. I think i'l do it for science as soon as this chip is somewhat expendable
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Razor method. i7-4770K




Edited by urbanman2004 - 4/20/14 at 12:36am
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1417554/killed-my-4770k

I read through a few pages of this, and I am rather astounded.

My thoughts are in line with the idea that the origin of the cracking is with the delidding causing bending in the substrate and chip.

Would have thought the best way to avoid this would be to hit the PCB on the side, perpendicular to the length of the chip. By hitting down the length of the silicon you would bend the whole length of the chip. Because of the length of the chip this could very easily crack the silicon. By hitting across the side, therefore making most of the flexing be across the small width of the chip, you could potentially reduce the stress on the chip.

Another possible problem is the IHS bowing, which was mentioned somewhere around the 10th page of that thread, quite plausible too. To avoid this I would avoid using a vise to hold the IHS, instead use a thin sheet of metal, which would rest on the table with the lip of the IHS on top of it. This would avoid the unnecesary possibility of bending the IHS when fastening it. I used a similar method for my E7200 and it seemed to work fine, I never had to squeeze the IHS by its length.

There are potential problems with the first part about hitting perpendicular to the chip. Firstly, if the TIM is hard, it will put more stress on the chip as it will put pressure back on the silicon along the FULL LENGTH of the die. Also, the 4770k that was broken in the other post had cracks mainly down its length, rather than across it, which would lead me to believe that the die was bent across the short side, which is exactly the stress that hammering from the side would impose on the chip.

if you read on the second page, he had vcroe on adaptive with off-set voltage and ran prime95 weirdsmiley.gif. that'll do it whether cpu is delidded or not.
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I don't think a high voltage would cause that kind of damage, unless somehow magically your motherboard managed to push a few KV through the chip...

Thermal expansion of silicon is very small and I'd think the material is flexible enough to deal with it.
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was browsing some pictures of some of the new z97 boards, and found this! Delid die guard, for direct contact :00

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Yeah it's quite a nice idea.

What I'd like to see is Intel making CPUs designed for direct contact. Throw out the IHS and use a ceramic substrate, maybe with a brace around the chip to prevent uneven loading, like they have around the GPU dies.

If they did that for the k and x-series CPUs I'd they'd have a good shot at setting some world records.
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