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but then u also have an exposed die which nobody recommends doing for the min gain u get of any.


I don't have any problems doing a direct die mount. The key to effective mount is in the contact area coverage and pressure between the surfaces and the TIM used.
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Valguar I think removing the IHS completely does help. biggrin.gif
The key improvement that de-lidding does is allow the modder to apply the perfect coat of TIM and it allows the modder to apply the perfect mount.
A perfect mount is when you have perfect thermal contact area pressure and you have the best TIM applied properly.
My logic for not using the IHS is based entirely on contact pressure tests that I have performed with contact pressure paper.
My test results with the IHS and without. The solid pink colors shows good pressure and surface area contact for maximum thermal dissipation.
Bad contact area coverage and pressure between DT Sniper water block and IHS.

When you have mixed TIMs and multiple surfaces to transfer heat IMO the effectiveness of the heat transfer is going to be hindered. Maximum heat transfer is more likely between only 2 surfaces and a TIM rather than 4 surfaces and 2 mixed TIMs.
That is my logic for direct DIE mount being superior to DIE+IHS.

I think most of us, through logic, agree with you that it ought to be better without the IHS - and it is. But what the person who wrote that (Idontcare) found when he tested it was that it didn't provide much benefit. Not what he wanted nor expected, I might add.

Read post #583 on the link below to see what temp data Idontcare found through his testing. Also, I think I saw you on that thread, so maybe you already know what he found and disagree. If so, it would be great if you can test it yourself and share if you get significant temp differences as that would help us to make a more informed decission to go directly to die or keep using the IHS. I hope you can find even more improvments! thumb.gif

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855&page=24
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I don't have any problems doing a direct die mount. The key to effective mount is in the contact area coverage and pressure between the surfaces and the TIM used.

I agree with you SonDa on the fact of Physics and how heat moves through objects. when you see a pane engine they have built in cooling through fins in the engine block. (just go with me here lol) when you think about all the material you would have to go through from the die to TIM then IHS then TIM to waterblock. Even if it's soldered on you will have resistance no matter what the material is. There is nothing in this world that has perfect 100% heat transfer. With direct mounting you pump the heat straight into the dump site (allbeit heatsink or radiator cooling). Now if you can get something like Liquid or IX inbetween the two for as more flush seal in case of uneven ness then that is completely ideal. How does the human body cool itself? it puts viens right under the skin skin = TIM, blood vessels = the die, the water or air = the cooler. now put on a coat.....It's gonna take a while now wont it. the coat is resistance like the IHS.

So to make it short basically resistance is resistance. the less stuff you have in the way the more heat you can just straight out dump. Also your cooling can only take so much heat as it stands. Their are limits to coolers so eventually you will reach it with even the best TIM in the world.

Hope that clarifies this subject lol thumb.gif
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That write off was perfect, and sort of made me think of overclocking myself tongue.gif (reminded me of that cooling device for your wrists/forearm that improved your muscle tissue regeneration or something)
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I think most of us, through logic, agree with you that it ought to be better without the IHS - and it is. But what the person who wrote that (Idontcare) found when he tested it was that it didn't provide much benefit. Not what he wanted nor expected, I might add.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855&page=24

I'm not going to do the test because as I have shown with my contact paper pressure tests results my IHS doesn't have very good contact with my DT SNIPER water block and because I don't think the added resistance of multiple TIMS and surfaces is better than direct mount between 2 surfaces and 1 TIM.

Idontcare did show that the lowest temps were achieved by going direct die wihout the IHS. Also in Idontcare's thread he stated that he had problems doing the direct die mount method. His CPU wouldn't boot a few times. It was tricky getting it done.


This is Idontcare's chart he made to show how performance was with IHS or without. Without IHS direct DIE mount was the coolest.


Edited by SonDa5 - 10/10/12 at 5:09pm
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I'm not going to do the test because as I have shown with my contact paper pressure tests results my IHS doesn't have very good contact with my DT SNIPER water block and because I don't think the added resistance of multiple TIMS and surfaces is better than direct mount between 2 surfaces and 1 TIM.
Idontcare did show that the lowest temps were achieved by going direct die wihout the IHS. Also in Idontcare's thread he stated that he had problems doing the direct die mount method. His CPU wouldn't boot a few times. It was tricky getting it done.
This is Idontcare's chart he made to show how performance was with IHS or without. Wihout IHS direct DIE mount was the coolest.

Yep. His lowest temps were direct to die. Not as much benefit as he had hoped though. Maybe he did not get much benefit due to what you note about his problems doing direct die mount. I do not think he is done though and hope he continues testing different TIMs using direct to die and gets us more info on it as it ought to make a significant difference.

Are you going to be able to mount your HFS directly to the die? Or does it end up unsiuted to the task?
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Are you going to be able to mount your HFS directly to the die? Or does it end up unsiuted to the task?


I don't follow you???? HFS = "Holy F***ing S**t"??? biggrin.gif???



You mean IHS???
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I don't follow you???? HFS = "Holy F***ing S**t"??? biggrin.gif???
You mean IHS???

LOL - Sorry! Do you think you can get your DT SNIPER water block to go directly onto your die? Or will you need to keep using your IHS?

(My mistake, typo, not supposed to be HFS, but HSF = Heat Sink & Fan - cooling unit - in this case your DT SNIPER water block!)
Edited by PCWargamer - 10/9/12 at 9:47pm
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LOL - Sorry! Do you think you can get your DT SNIPER water block to go directly onto your die? Or will you need to keep using your IHS?
(My mistake, typo, not supposed to be HFS, but HSF = Heat Sink & Fan - cooling unit - in this case your DT SNIPER water block!)


Read the chart on page 1 bro. biggrin.gif

I have never used the IHS. I skipped IHS from day 1 of my delid and went straight to direct mount between DIE and DT SNIPER water block. smile.gif
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Read the chart on page 1 bro. biggrin.gif
I have never used the IHS. I skipped IHS from day 1 of my delid and went straight to direct mount between DIE and DT SNIPER water block. smile.gif

Double sorry dude! Is it working as well as you have hoped and wanted? Are you seeing temps significantly lower than the delided IHS people???

I just ordered some CoolLab Ultra from Sidewinders - it should be here sometime next week! I'm going to delid my IB as soon as I can after that and hope to see some much improved temps!

...and maybe a higher max OC if I'm lucky - watch out Valgaur - I'm going to try to get to 5.3Ghz and beyond! biggrin.gif
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