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others say this works well

i used this..lol

edit:
removed the hammer method as a bad idea, sorry..

morning, reading through the posts from last night,
so we can agree about the 3 pics i posted earlier,
to be the most safe to use?

using one of those should do it, as best/proven methods ?
and in the order shown above,
addition can be made later, if we find more or even better ways to delid,

about cleaning the adhesive on pcb and underside ihs,
1. use fingernails
2. use a creditcard
3. rubbing alcohol or spiritus, to clean die, and/or the last bits of adhesive

altho the rubbing alcohol wont clean the adhesive when its still untouched,
just after delid..
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

1. Break Corners with a Thin Razor..
2. Finish with Sturdy Credit card...
Seems the Safest Method imo..

yes, but a normal credit card is a bit thick, could bent the pcb,
still looking for something like a credit card, but thinner,(about half as thick or less)
and easy to get/find for everyone..
Edited by VonDutch - 11/10/12 at 11:16pm
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I thought it was 1.4 via intel...

i looked into this, because it isnt clear for everyone or some peeps,
and got comments from peeps when i used 1.52V vcore max.

this graph from sin0822 guide says 1.52V vcore as Intel's max recommended..

but intel doesnt state this anywhere , except in their data sheets,
but there they talk about Max. VID..

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Hello Sin0822 smile.gifthumb.gif

On Air/Water: Intel Rec. Max is Intel’s absolute maximum rating for the Ivy Bridge lineup,
many of the numbers provided are identical to those of Sandy Bridge, however while vcore
should be lower because of a better processing technology (22nm vs 32nm) it is max 1.52v here because of the SVID max.
in regard to this post i made,
http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition/1860#post_18501975
can you tell me where you got the info from, the statement you made
about intel's recommended max is 1.52V?
a few times now peeps comment on me using the 1.52V as max vcore,
i did contact intel support about it, weeks ago, and he showed me datasheet 1,
sheet 1, page 84, 7.10.1, Table 7-4

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/3rd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.html
im not that technical etc, i see they talk about VID, and VID range, max 1.52V,
not max vcore..
just want to make sure i can explain well to others,
and the why and where etc ...you know how it goes,
"we need proof"..other wise its bs ...lol
thanks in advance for helping,
or anyone else who can help me with this smile.gif

sin didnt answer yet, but someone else said this,

I know for prior generations, the maximum allowable VID from the factory was considered
the maximum voltage for the processor. Not that that max VID was ever really spotted in the wild
for consumer usage. LGA775 was max of 1.45V VID, and that was widely considered the maximum you
should operate in a 24/7 environment, and that is obviously temperature permitting.

so, after doing all this "research", if anyone asking me about max. vcore , i will say 1.52V
for the "safe" vcores, 1.3-1.45V
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I recommend the double sided razor blade with duct tape on one side for saftey.

Cough... Cough ^^


Successful delidder's should post what worked for them and compare notes with all of the other successful delidder's, this way we have what actually worked. What do you think Valgaur?
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i looked into this, because it isnt clear for everyone or some peeps,
and got comments from peeps when i used 1.52V vcore max.

this graph from sin0822 guide says 1.52V vcore as Intel's max recommended..
but intel doesnt state this anywhere , except in their data sheets,
but there they talk about Max. VID..
sin didnt answer yet, but someone else said this,
I know for prior generations, the maximum allowable VID from the factory was considered
the maximum voltage for the processor. Not that that max VID was ever really spotted in the wild
for consumer usage. LGA775 was max of 1.45V VID, and that was widely considered the maximum you
should operate in a 24/7 environment, and that is obviously temperature permitting.
so, after doing all this "research", if anyone asking me about max. vcore , i will say 1.52V
for the "safe" vcores, 1.3-1.45V

I still say 1.55

There is no degrading going on...

It could also depend on how good of a MB u have to regulate that voltage to..
    
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I still say 1.55
There is no degrading going on...
It could also depend on how good of a MB u have to regulate that voltage to..

i know,
and the graph says also,
sin's idea of max, 1.55V on air/h2o..
bet you can up that some more, say 1.560-1.570 without running into problems,
its just that i wouldnt remommend it to everyone/anyone, if asked about max. vcores..
1.52V what ive seen used most when i looked into this, so i will go with that smile.gif

like i said before about delid, and using a hammer for the long sides, after cutting in the corners,
it works, but its not recommended..lol biggrin.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AqN5cRaEoo&feature=g-upl
Edited by VonDutch - 11/11/12 at 12:04am
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i know,
and the graph says also,
sin's idea of max, 1.55V on air/h2o..
bet you can up that some more, say 1.560-1.575 without running into problems,
its just that i wouldnt remommend it to everyone/anyone, if asked about max. vcores..
1.52V what ive seen used most when i looked into this, so i will go with that smile.gif

Sin told me to not go past 1.6v.
    
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I agree on the 1.6v max...on ambient cooling.
I think Hokie has a solid idea I'd like to expand:

-begin by breaking into a corner using a double edgge razor, but do it like this!
Bend the razor holding it from each end and pressing upwards, making a U shape to sort of hook the ihs over the pcb.
That's the absolute best and safer way to do the initial break in through the glue (specially if your chip was uinder a silver arrow like mine)
-once you do this you have two choices:
1)either make sure to be paralell tto the pcb and straighten the blade again and cut around the ihs in a single motion
Or 2)use a credit card or something similar and thinner.
3)remove glue carefully using fingernails, but only with not too sharp nails.
4)be extra careful with the mount...
5) Have fun!!!
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i disagree with the 1.6V, sorry..

its based on 1 person saying so,
and another agreeing with him,

if 1 person says, its like this, is it the absolute truth?,
while every other info i could find, and people i talked to about it, says otherwise,
even intels own data sheets?
ok now you can argue with me, it isnt specific said so in the intel datasheets..

we all know our chips can take alot if it comes to Vcores we can run through it, np..
I think Valgaur , hokies, some others proved that by now..

1.52V vcore is what i will use as max. recommended on air when asked tongue.gif
with a side note saying, "some"(like sin) say 1.55V as max
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I will say 1.55v smile.gif cause i been runing it a month 30hrs of stress test 225hrs of gaming and 20 hrs of benching.. And computer being on 24/7 7 days a week for over a month with Zero issues.
    
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morning, reading through the posts from last night,
so we can agree about the 3 pics i posted earlier,
to be the most safe to use?
using one of those should do it, as best/proven methods ?
and in the order shown above,
addition can be made later, if we find more or even better ways to delid,
about cleaning the adhesive on pcb and underside ihs,
1. use fingernails
2. use a creditcard
3. rubbing alcohol or spiritus, to clean die, and/or the last bits of adhesive
altho the rubbing alcohol wont clean the adhesive when its still untouched,
just after delid..
yes, but a normal credit card is a bit thick, could bent the pcb,
still looking for something like a credit card, but thinner,(about half as thick or less)
and easy to get/find for everyone..

I like this idea the most really. keeps it nice and clean and goes with what we have been thinking and saying for a while. and those three blades I agree with as well. thumb.gif
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Cough... Cough ^^
Successful delidder's should post what worked for them and compare notes with all of the other successful delidder's, this way we have what actually worked. What do you think Valgaur?

YES
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

I agree on the 1.6v max...on ambient cooling.
I think Hokie has a solid idea I'd like to expand:
-begin by breaking into a corner using a double edgge razor, but do it like this!
Bend the razor holding it from each end and pressing upwards, making a U shape to sort of hook the ihs over the pcb.
That's the absolute best and safer way to do the initial break in through the glue (specially if your chip was uinder a silver arrow like mine)
-once you do this you have two choices:
1)either make sure to be paralell tto the pcb and straighten the blade again and cut around the ihs in a single motion
Or 2)use a credit card or something similar and thinner.
3)remove glue carefully using fingernails, but only with not too sharp nails.
4)be extra careful with the mount...
5) Have fun!!!

Same idea.
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