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I notice this too since I use phobya LM. You've really got to smash that stuff down to get it to stick instead of rolling around. I haven't tried clu/clp since the bit of LM has lasted forever

Same for me. Never tried anything else. Phobya is rated better and was cheaper. For me it wasn't too bad. Definitely rolls around easily if left in ball form. After initial "break" of the ball it spread out fairly easily for me. I even had to reapply from dropping the IHS and accidently got some on the silicon around the die, it cleaned off pretty easily and so far hasn't seemed to cause damage or anything.
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I found out why Phobya Liquid Metal is annoying to me, there is no way to use it sparingly as upon application the consistency is that of pushing around mercury balls. There was nothing I could do to keep it from beading at first attempt, one really must paint and paint and paint to get the thing to spread.

Warning to Phobya LM users, make sure you get the metal painted and spread out. I did not, so much so that a bead of it fell to my wood floor (splat), and if it would have hit the motherboard anywhere, I would be in so much trouble.
I notice this too since I use phobya LM. You've really got to smash that stuff down to get it to stick instead of rolling around. I haven't tried clu/clp since the bit of LM has lasted forever

Blot it, blotting it, to blot, good to know, I used P LM with my gpu, and as a temporary cpu IHS to block TIM. Side note is my EK pump kicked after six months and I am back to air for the hiatus.
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Hello guys I'm almost done bending all my tubing and stuff but I took the block off my cpu to change it from goofy to regular orientation and noticed my cpu pcb has started to bow.

I'm not too worried it's nothing excessive and my chip worked fine at 4.7ghz but wondered if anyone else had a similar situation? My chip is naked and the bow is following the length of the die so the bottom and top are bowed if that makes sense haha. It's a 4670k too in a z97 asus ranger ROG board.
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Hello guys I'm almost done bending all my tubing and stuff but I took the block off my cpu to change it from goofy to regular orientation and noticed my cpu pcb has started to bow.

I'm not too worried it's nothing excessive and my chip worked fine at 4.7ghz but wondered if anyone else had a similar situation? My chip is naked and the bow is following the length of the die so the bottom and top are bowed if that makes sense haha. It's a 4670k too in a z97 asus ranger ROG board.

My assumption would be from to much cpu block pressure, so try to keep the tightness a bit lower to help counter that thumb.gif
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Hello guys I'm almost done bending all my tubing and stuff but I took the block off my cpu to change it from goofy to regular orientation and noticed my cpu pcb has started to bow.

I'm not too worried it's nothing excessive and my chip worked fine at 4.7ghz but wondered if anyone else had a similar situation? My chip is naked and the bow is following the length of the die so the bottom and top are bowed if that makes sense haha. It's a 4670k too in a z97 asus ranger ROG board.

How ironic. i woke up and my pc would cycle, worked fine yesterday and today nada. tried the usual ram thing and found 2 slots not working with a single ram stick. I thought well one slot ok, two slots then something is up. Took my cpu out (bare die as well) and it was bowed pretty well as well. So in my effort to be a total idiot, i tried to bow it back flat and heard it crack. I thought ok a little crack cant be bad and its nothing just a little crunch like when heard installing it brand new. Well turns out it now boots up for a split second then shuts off completely. Without the cpu in the socket it boots up with error 00 (no cpu in place) so guess its junked. I ordered a new one hoping i get it tomorrow to see what happens.

I really hope it was the bowing causing the ram slots not to function but weùll see tomorrow if not then mobo has to go in for RMA and i ruined a perfectly awesome 4.5ghz at 1.2v 4690k mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
    
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How ironic. i woke up and my pc would cycle, worked fine yesterday and today nada. tried the usual ram thing and found 2 slots not working with a single ram stick. I thought well one slot ok, two slots then something is up. Took my cpu out (bare die as well) and it was bowed pretty well as well. So in my effort to be a total idiot, i tried to bow it back flat and heard it crack. I thought ok a little crack cant be bad and its nothing just a little crunch like when heard installing it brand new. Well turns out it now boots up for a split second then shuts off completely. Without the cpu in the socket it boots up with error 00 (no cpu in place) so guess its junked. I ordered a new one hoping i get it tomorrow to see what happens.

I really hope it was the bowing causing the ram slots not to function but weùll see tomorrow if not then mobo has to go in for RMA and i ruined a perfectly awesome 4.5ghz at 1.2v 4690k mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
Ouch that's really unlucky so I guess I best just leave it then. Its only bowed by a very slight amount but im guessing it's normal and I have nothing to worry about.
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My assumption would be from to much cpu block pressure, so try to keep the tightness a bit lower to help counter that thumb.gif

Seems I'm not the only one having bowing of the pcb but if it's normal I'll just continue with it the only problem now is if it has bowed then some pins might be pressed in slightly.
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Hello guys I'm almost done bending all my tubing and stuff but I took the block off my cpu to change it from goofy to regular orientation and noticed my cpu pcb has started to bow.

I'm not too worried it's nothing excessive and my chip worked fine at 4.7ghz but wondered if anyone else had a similar situation? My chip is naked and the bow is following the length of the die so the bottom and top are bowed if that makes sense haha. It's a 4670k too in a z97 asus ranger ROG board.

How ironic. i woke up and my pc would cycle, worked fine yesterday and today nada. tried the usual ram thing and found 2 slots not working with a single ram stick. I thought well one slot ok, two slots then something is up. Took my cpu out (bare die as well) and it was bowed pretty well as well. So in my effort to be a total idiot, i tried to bow it back flat and heard it crack. I thought ok a little crack cant be bad and its nothing just a little crunch like when heard installing it brand new. Well turns out it now boots up for a split second then shuts off completely. Without the cpu in the socket it boots up with error 00 (no cpu in place) so guess its junked. I ordered a new one hoping i get it tomorrow to see what happens.

I really hope it was the bowing causing the ram slots not to function but weùll see tomorrow if not then mobo has to go in for RMA and i ruined a perfectly awesome 4.5ghz at 1.2v 4690k mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
Yikes!

Do you think that the cause of the bowing was all related to running the cpu bare die?
I was planning on doing that as well, I have the EK naked mount kit, and a Supremacy, but haven't installed it yet.

The idea seemed appealing to me, but for the few degrees difference, it may not be worth taking the chance on the cpu bowing from doing a naked mount.
As well as the hassle of getting the cpu fitted properly in the socket, without the cpu socket latch.

I may just delid, remove all the "glue" thoroughly of course, re-fit the IHS with CLU on the die, Gelid on top of the IHS, and then call it a day.

Sorry to hear about the cpu, and it was a good one too.
I figured Skylake would be more likely to do that, with its thinner pcb, but I guess Haswell can be delicate as well.

What would be wrong with the mobo, if anything?
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Yikes!

Do you think that the cause of the bowing was all related to running the cpu bare die?
I was planning on doing that as well, I have the EK naked mount kit, and a Supremacy, but haven't installed it yet.

The idea seemed appealing to me, but for the few degrees difference, it may not be worth taking the chance on the cpu bowing from doing a naked mount.
As well as the hassle of getting the cpu fitted properly in the socket, without the cpu socket latch.

I may just delid, remove all the "glue" thoroughly of course, re-fit the IHS with CLU on the die, Gelid on top of the IHS, and then call it a day.

Sorry to hear about the cpu, and it was a good one too.
I figured Skylake would be more likely to do that, with its thinner pcb, but I guess Haswell can be delicate as well.

What would be wrong with the mobo, if anything?

It will be due to too much pressure on the chip but in all honesty I think his board bit the dust before the chip did, im talking less than half a mm of bowing on my chip so there is no chance a pin isn't going to make good contact.

Going bare die keeps these chips chilled out to impressive levels I'll never use an IHS unless soldered and even then I'll find a way to remove it.

Also removing the latch, I just put my pc on its side and pop the chip in, you can tape it down if you like but I've never had an issue, the chip sticks to the block when I remove it so it's never been an issue.
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It will be due to too much pressure on the chip but in all honesty I think his board bit the dust before the chip did, im talking less than half a mm of bowing on my chip so there is no chance a pin isn't going to make good contact.

Going bare die keeps these chips chilled out to impressive levels I'll never use an IHS unless soldered and even then I'll find a way to remove it.

Also removing the latch, I just put my pc on its side and pop the chip in, you can tape it down if you like but I've never had an issue, the chip sticks to the block when I remove it so it's never been an issue.
Yeah, imo you will be fine, and it's working well for you.thumb.gif

Perhaps his board went bad then, he will soon find out.

I still really like the idea of a bare die mount, bought EK's lovely kit for it too.
And a nickel-plated Supremacy, and some CLU from Germany, lol.
Back in the day, they were all bare die, before the IHS was invented!

A few years ago, I delidded my 480 gpus, and ran them naked. Huge drop in temps., although that was a gpu, so kind of an apples and oranges comparison, lol.
Idk why Nvidia decided to put an IHS on those, they went back to naked die with the 580's.

Interesting method of putting the pc on its side, I hadn't heard of doing that first.
I guess it helps to keep the cpu aligned properly during installation.

Well, I have a while to decide on going bare die or not yet, but will have to make a decision on it once the upgrade and loop is finished.smile.gif
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Yeah, imo you will be fine, and it's working well for you.thumb.gif

Perhaps his board went bad then, he will soon find out.

I still really like the idea of a bare die mount, bought EK's lovely kit for it too.
And a nickel-plated Supremacy, and some CLU from Germany, lol.
Back in the day, they were all bare die, before the IHS was invented!

A few years ago, I delidded my 480 gpus, and ran them naked. Huge drop in temps., although that was a gpu, so kind of an apples and oranges comparison, lol.
Idk why Nvidia decided to put an IHS on those, they went back to naked die with the 580's.

Interesting method of putting the pc on its side, I hadn't heard of doing that first.
I guess it helps to keep the cpu aligned properly during installation.

Well, I have a while to decide on going bare die or not yet, but will have to make a decision on it once the upgrade and loop is finished.smile.gif

Well if the motherboard is flat then the cpu will just sit in the socket resting on the pins as per normal then you put your block on top and tighten down slowly like you used to back in the day of old bare die chips.

The cpu can only really go in one way so the process is still the same minus the latch to hold it in.
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