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Hello peoples! I need your help, on a build update. I've been somewhat out of the loop for a bit. Thoughts or ideas on my parts list?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dT4KBP

I should mention that I currently have ultra tower (Cosmos 2). I reallly want a mid tower sized case as a max size. I run two 1080p montiors and I have 2 780ti's available in my current rig. I'm not against going down to one and building a shoebox pc. I like the idea o them quite a lot, but I'd like one with a good view of the components, either acrylic or glass. I'm just not sure really....rolleyes.gif

Just my personal preference I would go with an Asus board for the bios features. The X99 strix is a similar price:
https://www.amazon.com/Optimization-ROG-STRIX-X99-GAMING/dp/B01F854U8E

MSI will have better warranty support but I have personally had bad experiences with their quality and overclockability. I always buy MSI GPU but for whatever reason I just cant get a good MSI motherboard. Probably not the case for everyone and much of the problems I had were with AMD mid-range boards but figured I would mention the Asus is usually better in my opinion especially for bios and software quality.

That being said I do recommend looking up power phase design. More power phase usually means stronger. Some of the higher end MSI boards have more power phase and are actually much better. Not sure which boards have what but that is usually the first thing I compare between boards after I find a right price/features. The one you got might be good I have no idea.

Otherwise as mentioned above a bump to one 1080 card would be cool but if you already have the 780ti's you might as well use them for awhile while prices come down. I have a midtower now and I kinda wish I would have gone with a shoebox build but at the same time I get to enjoy customization and expansion. Really up to preference there. I think my next pc will be a shoebox build but I am going to enjoy fully customizing my Phanteks case and having more room for visuals and upgrades.
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I think you are doing it right. That Phantek case is sharp.

If I may advise. You could attempt to setup your current rig as a server (nuc?) on your current network. This would allow for some savings regarding the hard drive cost. That might get your budget into a GTX ten seventy if not ten eighty. You might only need one of those for awhile. SLI is overrated is usually the call out.

That looks like a gnarly idea though, good good.

Hmmm, hadnt thought about the nuc, idea with current rig. How would i set that up? Do i need 2 LAN ports?
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Just my personal preference I would go with an Asus board for the bios features. The X99 strix is a similar price:
https://www.amazon.com/Optimization-ROG-STRIX-X99-GAMING/dp/B01F854U8E

MSI will have better warranty support but I have personally had bad experiences with their quality and overclockability. I always buy MSI GPU but for whatever reason I just cant get a good MSI motherboard. Probably not the case for everyone and much of the problems I had were with AMD mid-range boards but figured I would mention the Asus is usually better in my opinion especially for bios and software quality.

That being said I do recommend looking up power phase design. More power phase usually means stronger. Some of the higher end MSI boards have more power phase and are actually much better. Not sure which boards have what but that is usually the first thing I compare between boards after I find a right price/features. The one you got might be good I have no idea.

Otherwise as mentioned above a bump to one 1080 card would be cool but if you already have the 780ti's you might as well use them for awhile while prices come down. I have a midtower now and I kinda wish I would have gone with a shoebox build but at the same time I get to enjoy customization and expansion. Really up to preference there. I think my next pc will be a shoebox build but I am going to enjoy fully customizing my Phanteks case and having more room for visuals and upgrades.

I think I'll still with the dial 780ti's for now. They are still really string and in great shape. The main issue i currently have is since I'm using X58, dual sli is horrible thanks to pcie lanes. I think I'll up the chippy to the 6850k for the pcie lanes. Or, or i could grab a really good crib for the price range of 6850k. More cores, more lanes, less heat a well.

The Strix board looks great! But here is my predicament. I have a sound card currently for my Beyerdynamic dt770's. So i need one slot open, i usually put the gpu's in 3way sli spacing, with sound card in the 3rd slot. The sound card is against the back of the 2nd 780ti. Now, the Strix doesn't have the lane placement for that layout. The MSI does, buuuuuuuut the bottom card might hit that red OC button. The 780 would be in the second bottommost lane. Do i just ignore the sound card and use the on board? I'm not sure on that.

Thanks for the storage help, I'm currently refining this. Is like one dedicated for OS, one for games, launchers, steam etc. Then another for main storage of files and software, then deep storage for both machines and laptop backups.

Once i solidify this I'll look more into cooling, is like a cool quiet build as well.

Thanks again for the help everyone! thumb.gif
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Hmmm, hadnt thought about the nuc, idea with current rig. How would i set that up? Do i need 2 LAN ports?
I think I'll still with the dial 780ti's for now. They are still really string and in great shape. The main issue i currently have is since I'm using X58, dual sli is horrible thanks to pcie lanes. I think I'll up the chippy to the 6850k for the pcie lanes. Or, or i could grab a really good crib for the price range of 6850k. More cores, more lanes, less heat a well.

The Strix board looks great! But here is my predicament. I have a sound card currently for my Beyerdynamic dt770's. So i need one slot open, i usually put the gpu's in 3way sli spacing, with sound card in the 3rd slot. The sound card is against the back of the 2nd 780ti. Now, the Strix doesn't have the lane placement for that layout. The MSI does, buuuuuuuut the bottom card might hit that red OC button. The 780 would be in the second bottommost lane. Do i just ignore the sound card and use the on board? I'm not sure on that.

Thanks for the storage help, I'm currently refining this. Is like one dedicated for OS, one for games, launchers, steam etc. Then another for main storage of files and software, then deep storage for both machines and laptop backups.

Once i solidify this I'll look more into cooling, is like a cool quiet build as well.

Thanks again for the help everyone! thumb.gif

From my understanding most onboard audio is pretty much the same quality as soundcards nowadays. That being said I absolutely hate Realtek drivers/software myself so depending on your soundcard it might be worth the better driver/software. If you end up with realtek drivers I highly recommend using EqualizerAPO or something similar. For me with EqualizerAPO and PeaceGUI I am very happy with the sound quality of my on-board sound through my simple 5.1 system (nothing too special but not horrible either). After removing the highs from the subwoofer and removing the lows from the speakers through the APO it sounds just as good or better than my old Soundblaster cards fully tweaked (no longer supported of course). Never had any special sound card or special audio equipment to test to full range or anything though. Even my dell studio HTPC puts out decent sound once I discovered the equalizer thing and had more control. Realtek seems to deliver the same sound across all brands (tested on stock Dell Studio motherboard from 5+ years ago, Asus Z97 Pro-Gamer and now my ASRock Z97 Extreme4)

As far as cooling goes it has been my understanding in the past that most closed loop coolers are not worth getting. They may have improved in recent years but almost everyone I talked to when I asked around here recommended getting a custom loop or going with air cooling. Big air coolers can get close to the same overclock as most of the smaller closed loops but they come with the benefit of being more silent and more reliable. If something fails in a closed loop you are basically screwed whereas a custom loop can always be upgraded and separate parts replaced if failures occur. Big air can usually run with fans off for idle and desktop/web browser use. CLC/Custom can do the same but the pump always needs to be running. For sound big air is generally best, for overclockability of course custom loop would be best but some CLC are actually much better than any air cooler when it comes to overclockability. For reference my 4790k gets 4.8ghz daily OC with a Phanteks PH-TC14PE and never exceeds 60c gaming even when the garage is 38c+ (decent chip with low vcore, my body cant physically handle gaming at 38c+ but I did test it for a bit tongue.gif). Also went up to about 80c stress testing in regular ambients (25c-ish)
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Hmmm, hadnt thought about the nuc, idea with current rig. How would i set that up? Do i need 2 LAN ports?

I actually do not know much about it. I don't know much about anything. I quickly skimmed your pcpartpick and saw lots of storage and that is the first thing that came to mind, moving the storage off site.

I am glad dmfree88 mentioned the motherboard, because that instantly reminded me the importance of godlike vrms, and quality.

Any using what you already have first is my recommendation for what you are wanting I think. That lure of more performance anywhere though thumb.gif
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do you need special hardware to mount a ek supremacy MX to a delidded 6700k?
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do you need special hardware to mount a ek supremacy MX to a delidded 6700k?

Naked mount? Direct to the die? It's not possible without either a spacer or a modded base plate on the ek block. The die sits 0.4mm below the highest point of the socket.

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Naked mount? Direct to the die? It's not possible without either a spacer or a modded base plate on the ek block. The die sits 0.4mm below the highest point of the socket.


what block to use with skylake then?
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what block to use with skylake then?
Naked? There are no solutions at this time, you would have to modify a block or have a spacer made.
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Naked mount? Direct to the die? It's not possible without either a spacer or a modded base plate on the ek block. The die sits 0.4mm below the highest point of the socket.


https://www.amazon.com/Chipset-Thermal-Heatsink-Copper-0-5mm/dp/B00OUJQX8K

Don't know if this would work, it would be +.1mm, which would clear the outside of the socket. I would probably go with a 1mm shim that way you have clearance.

Been seeing a lot of these used on GPUs, but I know skylake is a bit fragile.
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https://www.amazon.com/Chipset-Thermal-Heatsink-Copper-0-5mm/dp/B00OUJQX8K

Don't know if this would work, it would be +.1mm, which would clear the outside of the socket. I would probably go with a 1mm shim that way you have clearance.

Been seeing a lot of these used on GPUs, but I know skylake is a bit fragile.

The problem is the PCB is very thin and me and Blue here have had haswell CPUs start to show signs of bending the PCB with naked mounts so I would want the shim to be exact in use with EKs naked mount kit. Too much pressure and the chip will just die.
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