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I had a thought about the movement of the IHS messing up the spread...

anyone try a touch of clear silicon RTB at the corners of the IHS to "lock" the IHS into place before remounting their CPU
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I did this after my initial delid and it worked great. I actually just used the socket latch to clamp it down but you could use anything as long as some caution is also used. I was really surprised at how well it held once dried and doesn't shift at all when tightening the socket latch. Re-delidding is super easy but I still used my vice and just a TINY bit of pressure to pop it back off. I'm currently using no adhesive under the IHS and I've noticed no temperature difference between the two. biggrin.gif
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Your mobo will give you error codes, most decent mobos do if its a cpu issue. You gotta make sure you tighten down the waterblock all the way tight dont be afraid, nothing will break. Hopefully you put it back in with the arrows matching lol.


That's affirmative. I've made sure the arrow is pointing to the bottom left 7-8oclock. 
Guess I'll have some disassembling and reassembling to do >< 

Mine would not boot when I mounted a heatsync overly tight.
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Mine would not boot when I mounted a heatsync overly tight.

Depends on the waterblock i guess. With my ekwb tightened all the way don and with pressure paper it makes minimal contact with the die but still provides a temp drop. Either the die isnt perfectly flat or the waterblock isnt. I was getting good pressure at the far edges of the die.
    
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Depends on the waterblock i guess. With my ekwb tightened all the way don and with pressure paper it makes minimal contact with the die but still provides a temp drop. Either the die isnt perfectly flat or the waterblock isnt. I was getting good pressure at the far edges of the die.

Was this with ek!'s naked ivy precise mount kit?

Edit: ah nevermind noticed yours isnt a 3770k
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Was this with ek!'s naked ivy precise mount kit?

Edit: ah nevermind noticed yours isnt a 3770k

Yea i have a 4690, well two now haha. But the thickness of the 3770 and 4690 should be identical, pretty sure the pcb and ihs are the same thickness. I could be wrong but the ekwb kit was designed for ivy it just ends up working for haswell lol.

What i did notice is that it ends up sitting more on the cpu socket then on the die,which is both good and bad. But with such a huge manufacturing tolerance no two ekwb cpu blocks are identical so could be why.
    
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Depends on the waterblock i guess. With my ekwb tightened all the way don and with pressure paper it makes minimal contact with the die but still provides a temp drop. Either the die isnt perfectly flat or the waterblock isnt. I was getting good pressure at the far edges of the die.
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Depends on the waterblock i guess. With my ekwb tightened all the way don and with pressure paper it makes minimal contact with the die but still provides a temp drop. Either the die isnt perfectly flat or the waterblock isnt. I was getting good pressure at the far edges of the die.

I really think the R&D from ek was enough to get good pressure on the die man, I haven't tested my block's pressure or anything but I don't hit thermal throttling until 1.6v+, you put washers and all sorts on to your kit and I imagine that throws all sorts of issues your way as it wasn't designed for that added pressure and tolerance. The whole point in the TIM is to make the gap non-existent. I do believe that in your case you're over complicating a simple solution.
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Mine would not boot when I mounted a heatsync overly tight.

This is correct because it will put too much pressure on some pins and break contact meaning no boot. I have to go HAM on my thumb screws in order to achieve this though, I just leave them very weakly hand tightened.
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I really think the R&D from ek was enough to get good pressure on the die man, I haven't tested my block's pressure or anything but I don't hit thermal throttling until 1.6v+, you put washers and all sorts on to your kit and I imagine that throws all sorts of issues your way as it wasn't designed for that added pressure and tolerance. The whole point in the TIM is to make the gap non-existent. I do believe that in your case you're over complicating a simple solution.


This is correct because it will put too much pressure on some pins and break contact meaning no boot. I have to go HAM on my thumb screws in order to achieve this though, I just leave them very weakly hand tightened.

The washers i have dont change a thing, i put 4 very thin ones under the mounting springs so that the springs dont get caught in the actual waterblock mounting bracket holes and make all sorts of noises and end up leaving tiny metal particles everywhere. They dont change the pressure or anything.

I never said the pressure wasn't good, its decent at best. Problem is the die is perfectly straight and the waterblock is convex quite a bit. The pic is floating around somewhere to show proof of that.

I can crank mine down tight till the mounting screws bottom out, and thats exactly following EKWBs instructions. The springs are what keep the pressure down anyways. The spring pushes down on the bracket and the waterblock pushes back up on the spring. It makes more contact with the cpu socket then the die which is what keeps the die from bending or even breaking so its a good thing.

Theres absolutely no issues with it and i do believe the ekwb kit and mounting hardware can pretty much work on every waterblock available, might need to find nuts or bolts that fit if the waterblock is quite thick but should work.

Here, excuse the mspaint lol. I have all 4 washers right there under each spring. It hasnt changed the pressure or anything as the springs are stil pushing down on the block.

ek-supremacy-evo_gp_front_800_1.jpg
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^ I have had zero issues out of EK blocks from several generations of their flagship products, but I am certainly not going to tell you that you are not. Have you checked your particular block? Take a metal ruler to the surface and see if its flat. I hope you get your issues worked out.
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^ I have had zero issues out of EK blocks from several generations of their flagship products, but I am certainly not going to tell you that you are not. Have you checked your particular block? Take a metal ruler to the surface and see if its flat. I hope you get your issues worked out.

If youre referring to me i have no issues lol, i just added washers so that annoying screeching sound stops when tightening the mounting nuts. As far as flat, mine is far from flat. The middle is quite convex as they're pretty much made for an ihs so its understandable. Im going to try to tighten a bit more evenly next delid and see if it helps a bit. Might try a bit less CLU too and see how it does, then add as necessary.
    
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If youre referring to me i have no issues lol, i just added washers so that annoying screeching sound stops when tightening the mounting nuts. As far as flat, mine is far from flat. The middle is quite convex as they're pretty much made for an ihs so its understandable. Im going to try to tighten a bit more evenly next delid and see if it helps a bit. Might try a bit less CLU too and see how it does, then add as necessary.

When we spoke about the CPU PCB being bent you said your chip was badly bent where as mine was minor. You are changing the pressure on you're very convex cpu block meaning you're bending the pcb more, it will force the pins to break contact eventually.
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