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The reason for this should be the naked copper (without nickel plating) on the base of your cooler. The gallium in the CLU interacts with the copper, and both metals will change. Some gallium atoms move inside the copper and stain the cooler's surface, and some copper atoms move inside the CLU and change it so that it won't be a fluid anymore. I think what a thin application will do is protect you against the rising temperatures you have seen, but it won't protect you against the stain and the CLU hardening. You perhaps might not want to use CLU on lapped coolers and CPUs that don't have their nickel plating anymore.

Well no offense but thats just all false. We've already established that CLU is perfectly FINE on copper. I had mine on a bare copper block for 2months with CLU and that stuff wiped right off without an issue. Lots of people have also used it on bare die with waterblocks and haven't had it harden. Its a possibility that it was a bad batch of CLU and it hardened, i know the first syringe i got half the CLU was hard in the syringe and the second one i got was more viscous. Its a possibility.

I wouldnt say CLU hardens because its bare copper because his looked like it hardened on the nickel plating of the IHS anyways.
    
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I think his IHS is also lapped like the cooler's base, so no nickel plating on it anymore.
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I think his IHS is also lapped like the cooler's base, so no nickel plating on it anymore.

Could be i cant really tell. All i can tell from the picture is theres def way too much clu applied. It needs to be applied in an absolutely thin application. Its much less viscous then TIM so it gets where it needs to way easier with less amount needed.

Im not worried about the staining, if clu gets into the copper and fills in the pores and cracks thats a GOOD thing. I took mine off after a couple months and it absolutely came right off. It probably will etch, but as long as your temperatures are fine then i wouldnt worry. Theres tons of people on here who have run it under the IHS and have had no issues, and yes i know the die and IHS are both plated where they mate but lots of people have also run it between the IHS and copper waterblocks without issues.

I have seen a handful of people with issues and im wondering if clu sitting in a syringe for too long ends up breaking down somehow and possibly having humidity/water mixed in. I do know the first syringe of clu i bought and the second i just got last week seemed a bit different.
    
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I think his IHS is also lapped like the cooler's base, so no nickel plating on it anymore.

Could be i cant really tell. All i can tell from the picture is theres def way too much clu applied. It needs to be applied in an absolutely thin application. Its much less viscous then TIM so it gets where it needs to way easier with less amount needed.

Im not worried about the staining, if clu gets into the copper and fills in the pores and cracks thats a GOOD thing. I took mine off after a couple months and it absolutely came right off. It probably will etch, but as long as your temperatures are fine then i wouldnt worry. Theres tons of people on here who have run it under the IHS and have had no issues, and yes i know the die and IHS are both plated where they mate but lots of people have also run it between the IHS and copper waterblocks without issues.

I have seen a handful of people with issues and im wondering if clu sitting in a syringe for too long ends up breaking down somehow and possibly having humidity/water mixed in. I do know the first syringe of clu i bought and the second i just got last week seemed a bit different.


To clarify a few points from my earlier post...
1. I know there's no negative effects of the CLU absorbing into the copper base. IF anything, there's microscratches filled by the CLU which will only help thermal conductivity.
2. The CPU and cooler are both lapped. Nickel plating removed on both.
3. Yea, I used too much...I know that now after I've seen these temp increases...
4. 2500k is soldered, never intended to delid. Planning on delidding my 6700k that I'll have in the near future.
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Gonna be putting together a 4790k Twitch rig for a friend of my brother's.

Kinda sucks that I've gotta wait for Sabertooth to break free in order to get it built, but thems the breaks when you're looking at building a system 2 generations behind the current release.

I have a EK 240 Predator coming for him so am not sure that I will contemplate delidding this chip, but still may get to do it. Sad thing is he's not an OC'er at all, so I talked him down from the RoG boards since it made no sense to spend so much.

Putting a 750 EVO SSD in his build, already has Win7 OS for it. Should be pretty speedy for his needs. Also he's picking up a R9 390 Nitro with this build. So man am I gonna be skippin round the tulips in the coming week. biggrin.gif

I will open a build log when I get time, but one that is a rehash of what went down. Not a piecemeal log in the least. thumb.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
nice! I'm always trying to get people I know to let me build a pc for them but nothing that fancy, so far thumb.gif

I also probably wouldn't "risk" a delid if he's not an oc'er but I bet he'll ask you do it when you show him dem gains!

are you looking for a sabertooth or re-using one? They're sweet boards! I've got a brand new "armor" kit sitting around, if that opens up your options at all PM me

Actually we changed it up because he doesn't wish to wait for a board and he doesn't want a used board. For that kind of ka-ching, can't say I blame him. tongue.gif

So he settled on an "ASUS Z97-PRO GAMER LGA" board. Still allows minor overclocking but ended up costing less than Sabertooth which admittedly where he was concerned was a bit of overkill for a Twitch system. Still it would've been nice to get him on that board since the CPU cooler won't be blowing across the Mosfets as well as a stock cooler does. There are minor issues that crop up when ditching the stock cooler. Sure a premium cooler does ten times better than the stock cooler. But the problem with a loop is there are penalty hits, like cooling Mosfets and VRMs take a pontential hit when dealing with a high end board. I'll likely fix that with an extra fan blowing across the CPU. With that Nitro in the case, Intake is out since it would simply push the heat down with only one exhaust fan to draw it out. No bueno. thinking.gif

Is a 6700 even deliddable? I thought the IHS was soldered on that puppy? mellowsmiley.gif

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That's a shame @Ceadderman, compromises are sad really frown.gif
I really wanted one so I found a new board with "no armor" for a decent price and found the armor new separatly, still cost too much though not as much. I ended up receiving an armor edition mobo instead by mistake and was out of town so I couldn't return the armor I bought. Someday it'll get used...

skylake is just pasted in, just the PCB is a little thin and has caused a few more problems but nothing too crazy. Mostly people running naked and bending pcb
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That's a shame @Ceadderman, compromises are sad really frown.gif
I really wanted one so I found a new board with "no armor" for a decent price and found the armor new separatly, still cost too much though not as much. I ended up receiving an armor edition mobo instead by mistake and was out of town so I couldn't return the armor I bought. Someday it'll get used...

skylake is just pasted in, just the PCB is a little thin and has caused a few more problems but nothing too crazy. Mostly people running naked and bending pcb

You got some info on the naked mounts they're doing for skylake? Asking because I want to run naked when I upgrade. thumb.gif
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You got some info on the naked mounts they're doing for skylake? Asking because I want to run naked when I upgrade. thumb.gif

aqua computer seems to be the only one who makes a shim for the skylake pcb. Im not sure how well it works but would be cool to see. Also it does sit lower in the socket so socket modification is probably a must.
    
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I have seen a handful of people with issues and im wondering if clu sitting in a syringe for too long ends up breaking down somehow and possibly having humidity/water mixed in. I do know the first syringe of clu i bought and the second i just got last week seemed a bit different.

This happened to me as well. First CLU I got was fine. Second, was very firm and blasted out more than 50% of it at once (thank God my CPU was out of the socket). It was basically impossible to spread without forming big clumps. Needless to say I asked Amazon for a refund. The replacement they sent was like the first.
    
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This happened to me as well. First CLU I got was fine. Second, was very firm and blasted out more than 50% of it at once (thank God my CPU was out of the socket). It was basically impossible to spread without forming big clumps. Needless to say I asked Amazon for a refund. The replacement they sent was like the first.

I had this issue too, except I'm use to syringes etc so when I felt the resistence I knew what would happen, about 3 mins later the hard bit of CLU was removed and it's been great since. Didn't wan't to faff about with refunds and replacements, wasn't worth the hassle.
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