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Let me oc it. You can trust me!
hahah! You'd be surprised how many people have asked me to send me MY chip.
I would love to but it's fantastic i don't want it fudged.
My other 3770k was a dud it did 4.4Ghz @ 1.235V!
post #3102 of 33673
Alright guys. I got my CL Ultra in the mail today and I have no idea what I did wrong. I'm getting worse temps than before. I re-applied it twice and no change. I can't even try it again because the tube I got was damaged somewhere along the line and leaked a fair bit of it so I have to wait to get a replacement. :/

I wonder if there was some kind of bad batch or something. I'm running a H80 and at 4.6 with 1.34v I've seen over 90c. Something is definitely not right.
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post #3103 of 33673
If it spreads thin like CL Liquid Pro your surface contact areas have to be perfectly flat to make proper contact. Any bowing and it will not be as forgiving as regular thermal paste because it spreads so thin.
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post #3104 of 33673
How do you know when it is flat if using sandpaper, I already screwed up the cpu text with a wool wire so might well.

Btw, anyone anyone think it would be possible to solder the die to the ihs lol.
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post #3105 of 33673
That could be it. I applied a thin coat on both surfaces and I don't think it was too bowed. Maybe I shall try applying regular TIM on top of the IHS later and see if it helps.
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post #3106 of 33673
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How do you know when it is flat if using sandpaper, I already screwed up the cpu text with a wool wire so might well.

Btw, anyone anyone think it would be possible to solder the die to the ihs lol.


Use a razor blade to hold on top of it in front of a light to see if any light can be seen between the blade and the IHS top. If light, then not flat. That might be your problem as several of the peps here have had non-flat IHS's including me. Lapping fixes the problem.

Do the sanding (lapping) on a peice of glass to make sure it is done flat. Use tape to hold the sandpaper down. 400>600>800>1000 grit is what I used. Also used water on the first three, and dry on the last 1000 grit. You can get the sandpaper at a auto parts store.
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post #3107 of 33673
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I will be trying to bench for a few days to come, gonna try and hit 5.8Ghz on water.
If i can't i'll buy a pot.

Let me oc it. You can trust me!

Yeah! Send it to Valgaur! You can trust that he will make sure it is tested to its limit (and maybe beyond)!!! biggrin.gif
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post #3108 of 33673
I'll add that the block surface may bow a little under pressure when you torque it down to mount so take that into consideration as well.

Before I mounted my DT Sniper water block on bare die of 3570k I did a dry mount with contact paper to see if proper contact was being made.


My contact pressure test paper results.The pink area shows good contact right on die.



Same block with the IHS on shows not very good contact against IHS.


Edited by SonDa5 - 11/14/12 at 9:42pm
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post #3109 of 33673
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Updating my my delidding temps for the chart.

Before delidding
Ambient Temp 26C
TIM IC Diamond 24 DT Sniper water block
Temps under LinX load 83C 93C 89C 84C
BeforeDeLidLinX3570k.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2531026

After delidding

Ambient Temp 20C
TIM CL Liquid Pro with Fujipoly Xtreme thermal pad around die direct contact mount with DT Sniper water block
Temps Intel Burn Text same memory tested as with Linx 49C 54C 52C 49C

http://valid.canardpc.com/2582088
Average core of before delidding is 87.25C

Average core of after delidding is 51C

Ambient temps diffrence of 6C added to after equals 56C aproximation of difference. 87.25-56C = average drop on each core of 31.25C average!!

wow thats amazing if i could drop my chip 30 degrees omg
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post #3110 of 33673
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Alright guys. I got my CL Ultra in the mail today and I have no idea what I did wrong. I'm getting worse temps than before. I re-applied it twice and no change. I can't even try it again because the tube I got was damaged somewhere along the line and leaked a fair bit of it so I have to wait to get a replacement. :/
I wonder if there was some kind of bad batch or something. I'm running a H80 and at 4.6 with 1.34v I've seen over 90c. Something is definitely not right.

We need pictures, it's difficult to imagine how you are applying the TIM. If you are not using enough CL Ultra there's no way for us to determine whether you are doing it correctly.
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