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What would happen when someone glues the IHS on the PCB from the exterior? Place the lid, and glue around the edge, no material between the IHS and pcb, however still secure?
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so Ive been getting instant crashes when using voltages over 1.4v since switching to naked mount. I've been pushing for 5.0GHz but I can't run over 1.4v now, even at known stable clocks. Benji had mentioned that naked MIGHT lower my necessary voltage, but I don't think this is what he was talking about haha.

anybody else had any similar issues? I'm still going through, trying to figure out what it could be. I've reset my bios to default and started over but the "problem" persists. I'm wondering if the "overvoltage" jumper has anything to do with it? I was always under the impression that was more for ln2 and the likes but I don't know. When does it become necessary to move that jumper?

edit: btw, I assumed that since I was using 1.43v for 5.0GHz before that I needed to go higher since it still wasn't stable. I'm currently testing 5.0GHz at 1.399v since that is as high as I can go... so far so good thumb.gif
maybe I don't need to go over 1.4v for 5.0GHz after all!! I'm still going to need to figure this out though. Since when is enough ever enough?
Edited by 0ldChicken - 8/29/16 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by deepor View Post

Well... that's simply not what happens in practice in Intel's factories. There seems to be a gap there after manufacturing. I don't know what they are doing. Perhaps they don't use enough pressure when installing the IHS onto the CPU? Or perhaps they use enough pressure but the plunger that installs the IHS plunges down hard for just a split second, and then it pulls away immediately afterwards and there's no time for the excess TIM and glue to get pushed out of the way?

More relevant is the recent bit of information on how to delid and reseal properly. What Intel did or doesn't do is irrelevant. Especially since one may never know.
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Originally Posted by Benjiw View Post

Dunno, there is obviously an issue because once we remove the sealant the issue is gone so.

Hear ye, hear ye, lads and lassies....

For those who have a Rockit 88 delid tool but do not have the Re-lid kit, then get one if resealing is your preferred approach. Applying pressure while the sealant cures should be a necessary step. Whether Intel does or doesn't do that is irrelevant. The required pressure here is way less than what the MB's CPU retention mechanism and cooler/block would normally exert. The reason for not just using the retention mechanism, while the sealant cures, is because positioning is likely to shift during CPU installation with uncured sealant. Furthermore, we're only talking an extra $8 for those who're yet to purchase either.

Link to kit;
http://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/re-lid-kit
Edited by oparr - 8/30/16 at 5:21am
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so Ive been getting instant crashes when using voltages over 1.4v since switching to naked mount. I've been pushing for 5.0GHz but I can't run over 1.4v now, even at known stable clocks. Benji had mentioned that naked MIGHT lower my necessary voltage, but I don't think this is what he was talking about haha.

anybody else had any similar issues? I'm still going through, trying to figure out what it could be. I've reset my bios to default and started over but the "problem" persists. I'm wondering if the "overvoltage" jumper has anything to do with it? I was always under the impression that was more for ln2 and the likes but I don't know. When does it become necessary to move that jumper?

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maybe I don't need to go over 1.4v for 5.0GHz after all!! I'm still going to need to figure this out though. Since when is enough ever enough?

Heat makes chips less efficient in using volts is the Tl;Dr of it thats why people using exotic cooling can use the same volts as me for 4.7ghz for 5ghz+ you need to tweak and fine tune other settings to bring down voltages too but the biggest enemy for your chip is heat and more volts is more heat. I've had issues with my loop recently so not been able to do any testing and fine tuning plus tbh I've sold my 4670k to a friend who's giving me the funds for a 6700k next month so this chip will go back to being clothed and run at a respectable voltage for an easy life.
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Originally Posted by oparr View Post

Hear ye, hear ye, lads and lassies....

For those who have a Rockit 88 delid tool but do not have the Re-lid kit, then get one if resealing is your preferred approach. Applying pressure while the sealant cures should be a necessary step. Whether Intel does or doesn't do that is irrelevant. The required pressure here is way less than what the MB's CPU retention mechanism and cooler/block would normally exert. The reason for not just using the retention mechanism, while the sealant cures, is because positioning is likely to shift during CPU installation with uncured sealant. Furthermore, we're only talking an extra $8 for those who're yet to purchase either.

Link to kit;
http://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/re-lid-kit

Hmm... must have changed, my Rockit 88 came with the re-lid kit. I paid $34.88 plus $8.00 shipping.
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Heat makes chips less efficient in using volts is the Tl;Dr of it thats why people using exotic cooling can use the same volts as me for 4.7ghz for 5ghz+ you need to tweak and fine tune other settings to bring down voltages too but the biggest enemy for your chip is heat and more volts is more heat. I've had issues with my loop recently so not been able to do any testing and fine tuning plus tbh I've sold my 4670k to a friend who's giving me the funds for a 6700k next month so this chip will go back to being clothed and run at a respectable voltage for an easy life.
I understand that more V is more heat, but I'm topping out at 65°c with x264v2 when using 4.8ghz and 1.39v. change it to 1.41v, keeping 4.8ghz and the temps rise a few degrees before crashing within seconds. I've spent hours going through my bios and tweaking various settings and combos of settings but I haven't come up with a solution yet. I plan on getting more info together and posting in the haswell or devil's canyon thread when I get the time.

I just find it really strange that I instantly crash with 1.4v+ now. Used to not be an issue other than the heat, which is now less of an issue...

Thanks for the reply Benji smile.gif
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Just delidded my 2nd cpu. i7 3770k used razor method successfully for the 2nd time too smile.gif.

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