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Simpler solution....Reuse the IHS and re-lid properly so there are no gaps.

But you just posted a link to someone who did that and managed to crack their die from uneven pressure. But you haven't answered my question, I asked for bare waterblock to die cracking not ambiguous posts on forums where user error was probably mostly to fault.
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But you just posted a link to someone who did that and managed to crack their die from uneven pressure. But you haven't answered my question, I asked for bare waterblock to die cracking not ambiguous posts on forums where user error was probably mostly to fault.
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But you just posted a link to someone who did that and managed to crack their die from uneven pressure.

Probably due to IHS shift if the IHS was indeed being used. Not resealing, or installing the CPU before the sealant has cured would be the usual suspects. In other words, they didn't re-lid properly. Whatever, it further highlights the fragile nature of Skylake.
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But you haven't answered my question

If so, then I have bigger fish to fry.
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Probably due to IHS shift if the IHS was indeed being used. Not resealing, or installing the CPU before the sealant has cured would be the usual suspects. In other words, they didn't re-lid properly. Whatever, it further highlights the fragile nature of Skylake.
If so, then I have bigger fish to fry.

So no cracks from naked mounting?
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So no cracks from naked mounting?

Skylake is so thin it will pretty much be a pain all the time. Skylake and haswell/ivy/sandy have the same exact measurement from pcb bottom to ihs top, the difference is skylake has a much thicker IHS (another reason to go bare die with Skylake), the issue is the thin PCB. He's just too idiot to realize that the sealant has absolutely nothing to do with skylake cracking/bending, just keeps spewing the same nonsense.
    
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If the CPU is installed with IHS, but not sealed to the wafer, or the sealant is still in a liquid state, then there will be IHS mobility due to the gap originally intended for the sealant. The die is vulnerable to chipping/cracking in this scenario. Visualize the cured sealant acting as a shim, to fill the gap beneath the base of the IHS, thus preventing this mobility.
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And its why i don't reply to his idiotic comments anymore haha.

Pretty sure EVERYONE on this forum remembers how when Skylake just came out they were already bending, without a delid. So skylake is prone to bending and cracking NO MATTER WHAT.
    
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Pretty sure EVERYONE on this forum remembers how when Skylake just came out they were already bending, without a delid. So skylake is prone to bending and cracking NO MATTER WHAT.
I made the decision to "skip" Skylake entirely, when I upgraded from my 2500K to a 4790K, a few months ago.

Of course, delidding and direct die mounting influenced my decision, at that time all I knew was how thin the pcb was on Skylake compared to Devils Canyon.

Thanks for posting the AquaComputer shim link, bluej51, quite an eye-opener for me.

I guess if one wasn't going to delid at all, Skylake would be feasible as an upgrade, but where's the fun in that, lol.

Edit: Of course, the shim kit would certainly help with those issues for a Skylake chip.
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I made the decision to "skip" Skylake entirely, when I upgraded from my 2500K to a 4790K, a few months ago.

Of course, delidding and direct die mounting influenced my decision, at that time all I knew was how thin the pcb was on Skylake compared to Devils Canyon.

Thanks for posting the AquaComputer shim link, bluej51, quite an eye-opener for me.

I guess if one wasn't going to delid at all, Skylake would be feasible as an upgrade, but where's the fun in that, lol.

Edit: Of course, the shim kit would certainly help with those issues for a Skylake chip.

Not much of an upgrade for haswell users. MSI makes one as well but its totally different.
    
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I made the decision to "skip" Skylake entirely, when I upgraded from my 2500K to a 4790K, a few months ago.

Of course, delidding and direct die mounting influenced my decision, at that time all I knew was how thin the pcb was on Skylake compared to Devils Canyon.

Thanks for posting the AquaComputer shim link, bluej51, quite an eye-opener for me.

I guess if one wasn't going to delid at all, Skylake would be feasible as an upgrade, but where's the fun in that, lol.

Edit: Of course, the shim kit would certainly help with those issues for a Skylake chip.

I'm still not convinced it's a shim but I found out that the LN2 guys are still having issues with cracking TIM apparently? Not too sure but they did mention this.
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I just started noticing this the past couple days, makes sense but just didnt realize. 2 nights ago I put ihs down but it was really misaligned so I had to adjust it too much and paste cracked pretty fast.

But last night I put ihs down almost perfectly first shot and not one crack all night, full pot for hours.

Thanks to dancop guide I use the asus cpu tool now which really helps with alignment.
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So I got this from my ASUS Z170i board... wondering if this would help reseat the IHS back onto the chip...


I didn't use it on my first go around but I wonder if this would help in any way?
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I'm still not convinced it's a shim but I found out that the LN2 guys are still having issues with cracking TIM apparently? Not too sure but they did
mention this.
Yes I have only read the ln2 guys having cracking issues on bare die also.
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