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Give Vagur the required info and I'll add you to the list! Awesome pictures though!

OCN name: FedericoUY
CPU: i7 7700K
On-die TIM: CoolLaboratory Liquid Ultra
IHS TIM: IC Diamond 24carat
Mhz gained: -
OC after delid: 5ghz (as before), not tested for max OC
Temp drops: 20c avg
CPU-Z validation of max OC: (will give later)
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post #32862 of 33992
Well did my re-delid, and I don't think temps changed much. Core #2 is a bit cooler but Core #1 is warmer now. Shrug. I think I'll just leave my system alone now.
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Here we go:

OCN name: dmo580
CPU: i7 7700k
on die-TIM: Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra
ihs-TIM: Thermal Grizzy Kryonaut
Mhz gained: 300
OC after delid: 5 GHz
Temp drops: 13C
CPU-Z validation of max OC: https://valid.x86.fr/ldzke0
post #32864 of 33992
Weird thing about my delid, my 7700k IHS is actually slightly shorter than the core. When I placed it on after cleaning up the black glue the IHS "floats". Figuring this will crack the core if I mounted on as is, I padded around the core with pro-grade electrical tape to give a couple of microns of space so after mounting the IHS digs in to the tape.

Pasted core with Conductonaut, went from 95+ degrees to 70 degrees max.

Can do stable 5ghz, -2 AVX offset, 1.36v LLC5 now.
post #32865 of 33992
Hey all.

Been reading up a bit on what others have done / what's worked for delid and/or relid on a 7700k before I make the leap.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but some observations I've made;

- Delid without relidding the IHS offers too little gain considering all the modding you have to do to your socket to get a decent connection between the CPU and heatsink
- a liquid metal TIM sounds like the way to go for the chip to IHS heat transference
- removing the original IHS sealant is a pain in the ass / can result in damage to the PCB if not done carefully
- "silicon gasket maker" sounds like the most popular way to go for remounting the IHS due to higher chance of damage from gluing
- most folks use too much silicon the first time they remount their IHS, so going super sparingly would probably make sense
- most folks seem to be using relatively pricey delidding kits and relidding kits, and having positive experiences with them

Some questions / concerns I have;

- Does remounting the IHS with silicon result in the same firmness as the original Intel sealant? What exactly is the original sealant / can it be obtained by consumers at a reasonable price point?
- Does the waxed dental floss delid approach actually work? Seems feasible and low risk... really tempted to try it since I'm pretty broke after buying all these computer parts.
- What's the best bang for the buck on safe relidding tools?

Other thoughts;

So, I'm not really looking to OC as much as I want to simply lower temps on my 7700k. At 100% sustained load at stock settings, I easily went into the mid 90C range. Yikes. I'm running the chip in a cramped Node 202 case with a Cryorig C7 cooler, so it's not exactly getting a lot of airflow. Undervolting has gotten the chip to the high 80C range at max load, and a more reasonable mid to high 70C range during Time Spy stress testing... but that's still much warmer than I would like. With average decrease in the 15C-20C range for many folks from a delid, it seems like it'd be worth the effort.

Being a long-time computer nerd, I remember most of the builds I did not involving any processors with a new-fandangled "IHS" thingie... just straight CPU die to thermal paste and a heat sink. I kinda wish there was an easy way to just run the processor naked without a crapload of high risk modding needed frown.gif
post #32866 of 33992
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Hey all.

Been reading up a bit on what others have done / what's worked for delid and/or relid on a 7700k before I make the leap.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but some observations I've made;

- Delid without relidding the IHS offers too little gain considering all the modding you have to do to your socket to get a decent connection between the CPU and heatsink
- a liquid metal TIM sounds like the way to go for the chip to IHS heat transference
- removing the original IHS sealant is a pain in the ass / can result in damage to the PCB if not done carefully
- "silicon gasket maker" sounds like the most popular way to go for remounting the IHS due to higher chance of damage from gluing
- most folks use too much silicon the first time they remount their IHS, so going super sparingly would probably make sense
- most folks seem to be using relatively pricey delidding kits and relidding kits, and having positive experiences with them

Some questions / concerns I have;

- Does remounting the IHS with silicon result in the same firmness as the original Intel sealant? What exactly is the original sealant / can it be obtained by consumers at a reasonable price point?
- Does the waxed dental floss delid approach actually work? Seems feasible and low risk... really tempted to try it since I'm pretty broke after buying all these computer parts.
- What's the best bang for the buck on safe relidding tools?

Other thoughts;

So, I'm not really looking to OC as much as I want to simply lower temps on my 7700k. At 100% sustained load at stock settings, I easily went into the mid 90C range. Yikes. I'm running the chip in a cramped Node 202 case with a Cryorig C7 cooler, so it's not exactly getting a lot of airflow. Undervolting has gotten the chip to the high 80C range at max load, and a more reasonable mid to high 70C range during Time Spy stress testing... but that's still much warmer than I would like. With average decrease in the 15C-20C range for many folks from a delid, it seems like it'd be worth the effort.

Being a long-time computer nerd, I remember most of the builds I did not involving any processors with a new-fandangled "IHS" thingie... just straight CPU die to thermal paste and a heat sink. I kinda wish there was an easy way to just run the processor naked without a crapload of high risk modding needed frown.gif

The delid tool is seriously worth it, no joke, I've yet to see something die (pun).
I guess once you figure out the delidding part, the relidding part has only 2 real sources of problems.

1. Double and Triple check that the IHS is actually lower than your core die, mine was not so it was literally floating there supported by the die after I cleaned the black stuff off. Failure to do this may lead to a cracked core upon remounting. I got around it by shimming it with black electrical tape, the pressure from the mounting will dig in to the tape thus preventing core cracking but the slight give also allows intimate die-IHS contact.

2. tape over/use nail polish on any gold pins or exposed circuitry near the die, this saves your core from accidents if the liquid metal ends up overflowing
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What @Dasboogieman said + if you are broke....check out this link:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1627022/cross-country-rockit-delid-tool-extravaganza#post_25979426 rolleyes.gif
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post #32868 of 33992
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Hey all.

Been reading up a bit on what others have done / what's worked for delid and/or relid on a 7700k before I make the leap.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but some observations I've made;

- Delid without relidding the IHS offers too little gain considering all the modding you have to do to your socket to get a decent connection between the CPU and heatsink
- a liquid metal TIM sounds like the way to go for the chip to IHS heat transference
- removing the original IHS sealant is a pain in the ass / can result in damage to the PCB if not done carefully
- "silicon gasket maker" sounds like the most popular way to go for remounting the IHS due to higher chance of damage from gluing
- most folks use too much silicon the first time they remount their IHS, so going super sparingly would probably make sense
- most folks seem to be using relatively pricey delidding kits and relidding kits, and having positive experiences with them

Some questions / concerns I have;

- Does remounting the IHS with silicon result in the same firmness as the original Intel sealant? What exactly is the original sealant / can it be obtained by consumers at a reasonable price point?
- Does the waxed dental floss delid approach actually work? Seems feasible and low risk... really tempted to try it since I'm pretty broke after buying all these computer parts.
- What's the best bang for the buck on safe relidding tools?

Other thoughts;

So, I'm not really looking to OC as much as I want to simply lower temps on my 7700k. At 100% sustained load at stock settings, I easily went into the mid 90C range. Yikes. I'm running the chip in a cramped Node 202 case with a Cryorig C7 cooler, so it's not exactly getting a lot of airflow. Undervolting has gotten the chip to the high 80C range at max load, and a more reasonable mid to high 70C range during Time Spy stress testing... but that's still much warmer than I would like. With average decrease in the 15C-20C range for many folks from a delid, it seems like it'd be worth the effort.

Being a long-time computer nerd, I remember most of the builds I did not involving any processors with a new-fandangled "IHS" thingie... just straight CPU die to thermal paste and a heat sink. I kinda wish there was an easy way to just run the processor naked without a crapload of high risk modding needed frown.gif

Let me try to answer your questions:

1. No the Silicone RTV is a bit different than the original Intel sealant. I delidded AGAIN after putting too much RTV on, and honestly the "POP" that you get when delidding was a LOT louder with the Intel adhesive meaning it was glued on a lot tighter and required more pressure with the allen wrench on my delidding tool.

2. Honestly many say you don't even need the IHS mounted. Don't do waxed dental floss. Either get the right tools or just lock the IHS in place with your heatsink.

I did spend a few dollars (delidding tool, RTV, Thermo Grizzly Kryonaut), but honestly if you have a $300 CPU do it right. Plus you can use it in future builds or loan your tool out locally for a small fee.

I understand your purpose and quite honestly I'm not a huge OCer. I don't plan on pushing my system to the limits and running at that 24/7, but I do want to run at a mild overclock. Is your 90C range with Prime 95? If so keep in mind thats worse case because most tasks won't be as demanding with Prime 95. I bench with Prime 95 too just to know what my system will hit, so here are a few recommendations. First, if you plan on running stock, observe the load vcore. My chip isn't even great (4.9 @ 1.34vcore), but at stock 4.5 Turbo I can run 1.15V on Prime 95 no problem. If your chip is pulling in 1.25V when it only needs 1.15V, that's easily a 10C difference. So keep note there. If you don't want to delid, just observing voltages would get you far.

I know everyone wants to be lazy, but I always recommend building a few curves--temp vs vcore and min vcore vs frequency. Understand what your CPU runs at and what temperatures you get, and you can better figure things out. You can also decide at that point if you want to delid. For instance, I was hitting a wall at 4700 mhz at 92C previously. I delidded and my temps dropped in no time to around 71C. However that's because I really wanted to hit 5 GHz. But if I looked at no delid and running at 4.5ghz, 1.15vcore, I was maxing out at 78C only, which was reasonable IMO. Not great but at least not concerning. So my thought is have a look at vcore then decide if you really want to delid, and if you want to delid, do it right.
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I never bothered to glue my 3770K IHS back on.. I just delidded it, smacked some liquid ultra on it, put the CPU in the socket, put the IHS on and closed the socket.. I did replace the liquid ultra a few times as i switched coolers a few times but temps are always the same.

This is the OC i've been running for the past 3 years and it's held up very well. No voltage degradation, no thermal degradation, no stability issues. Can run any stress test (inc avx like this one) 24 hours straight if it has to.. Max game temps are high 60's with very managable fan and pump speeds (40-60% ish PWM)

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Does it matter what type of clear nail polish i use to cover the caps?
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