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who ever u sell it to its probably guna die on them lol
oh well biggrin.gif

What it does 2 years after they buy it who cares.

They could choose to make the delid worthless and run 4.5ghz at 1.19v like my chip does for all we know.. cause it does 5.1ghz 24/7 does not mean there gonna do it..

I sold a i7 930 that i ran almost 2 years at 1.5v guy now runs it at 4.4ghz issue free...
1.5v on X58 is alot worse then 1.55v on Ivy.

Most important things about high volts are temps and by the love of god make sure it is stable..

Both chips are and were stable at those voltages and both had good temps..
" i had a custom loop" back then..
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I order some Liquid Ultra $18 and a corsair h100 for $70 on amazon with some store credit i already have..Not interested on Custom WC yet...
I read, it is recommended only on the cpu die and i have seen others using on the IHS also..

So what you guys think?

Another question... Have read that the liquid pro make it harder to remove blocks like it adheres to the metals....

If i use it on the die will have this problem too?
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can we stop the, im right , youre not...

i joined intel today with the questions we have about max vcore etc, when i find new/better/other answers,
i will let you all know, i dont trust inet answers like you guys, all i have is the max SVID stated in the official data sheets from Intel,
everyone online that says max vcore is 1.52V, is talking about the max SVID, that ive learned so far,
thats what sin0822 states in his guide also..it seems hes using it in his graph too, naming it max vcore..


ok, i just saw someone saying this,

"Intel found that at 22nm and smaller that lead-free solder started to crack and crumble under the pressure, no future chips will use solder."

you guys think theres some truth in that remark?
it makes sense to me..
Edited by VonDutch - 12/9/12 at 11:13am
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More info then you got.

More than him yes but compared to my statsistics, you fall behind. I have all of the vcores of every user on here per clock all written down right along with yours sir. You haven't been running 1.55v for 90 days because this thread hasn't been up this long. You ran it lower for a while about a little under 2 months. We aren't saying your data is wrong or flawed but that it is indeed not truthful yet. Take it this way. I had franky who took darn near 2 v no problem multiple times benched him at ungodly vcores for hundreds of hours and I didn't say anything about moving the max allowable vcore know why? Because I didn't want to be respnsible for any hardware damage, I knew Franky was getting tired due to a few boot bug that started a while back so I started just benching at certain vcore instead and notice degredation but very slight at that.

Yes your data is correct for your chip but compared to all the other chips out there its like saying my albino rabbit has red eyes so im gonna say that others should as well. And how do you know you have an AVG chip. Yeah you don't. You don't know the crystalline layout of all the chips or yours so quit tooting the wrong information around. Just for pure safety and still great performance for normal usage and even gaming I suggest we all fall on a good vcore of 1.45-1.5 no more than 1.5.

I say this for 2 reasons

1st no one knows about the 1.52 so its completely false then.

2nd I feel under 1.5v is a great place to sit for a non bencher who most people can still easily oc quite well even if they aren't delidded and if they are even better.

Hokies if you really want to compare data of all the vcores and clock per clock needs then I will rebuttle but get more data of more chips than come forward to correct people like intel. Not forum users you take these kind of things to heart when they are told by someone saying oh yeah you can do more vcore it doesn't hurt it then it suddenly kills their chip.

You have data, just simply not enough. If you want I can contact Intel and get real critical numbers from them but it will take time. If we want it done right we need it from the correct source, and make sure they aprove it.
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More than him yes but compared to my statsistics, you fall behind. I have all of the vcores of every user on here per clock all written down right along with yours sir. You haven't been running 1.55v for 90 days because this thread hasn't been up this long. You ran it lower for a while about a little under 2 months. We aren't saying your data is wrong or flawed but that it is indeed not truthful yet. Take it this way. I had franky who took darn near 2 v no problem multiple times benched him at ungodly vcores for hundreds of hours and I didn't say anything about moving the max allowable vcore know why? Because I didn't want to be respnsible for any hardware damage, I knew Franky was getting tired due to a few boot bug that started a while back so I started just benching at certain vcore instead and notice degredation but very slight at that.
Yes your data is correct for your chip but compared to all the other chips out there its like saying my albino rabbit has red eyes so im gonna say that others should as well. And how do you know you have an AVG chip. Yeah you don't. You don't know the crystalline layout of all the chips or yours so quit tooting the wrong information around. Just for pure safety and still great performance for normal usage and even gaming I suggest we all fall on a good vcore of 1.45-1.5 no more than 1.5.
I say this for 2 reasons
1st no one knows about the 1.52 so its completely false then.
2nd I feel under 1.5v is a great place to sit for a non bencher who most people can still easily oc quite well even if they aren't delidded and if they are even better.
Hokies if you really want to compare data of all the vcores and clock per clock needs then I will rebuttle but get more data of more chips than come forward to correct people like intel. Not forum users you take these kind of things to heart when they are told by someone saying oh yeah you can do more vcore it doesn't hurt it then it suddenly kills their chip.
You have data, just simply not enough. If you want I can contact Intel and get real critical numbers from them but it will take time. If we want it done right we need it from the correct source, and make sure they aprove it.

You have no Data saying it is not.
    
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

can we stop the, im right , youre not...
i joined intel today with the questions we have about max vcore etc, when i find new/better/other answers,
i will let you all know, i dont trust inet answers like you guys, all i have is the max SVID stated in the official data sheets from Intel,
everyone online that says max vcore is 1.52V, is talking about the max SVID, that ive learned so far,
thats what sin0822 states in his guide also..it seems hes using it in his graph too, naming it max vcore..
ok, i just saw someone saying this,
"Intel found that at 22nm and smaller that lead-free solder started to crack and crumble under the pressure, no future chips will use solder."
you guys think theres some truth in that remark?

I could see it from the heating and cooling thermodynamics of the smaller architecture compared to bigger chips. But I don't think anything else could effect it.
it makes sense to me.
Edited by Valgaur - 12/9/12 at 11:22am
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You have no Data saying it is not.

And you have no data saying it is now do you.

Seriously if you want to get real results and data out to the general public then do it right get more information over more chips malaysia costa ricas and others. If yuo do that then I will agree but only if you have enough data.

That's why when you see a research project they ask hundreds if not thousands of people when they state their claims. You never see a research project ask one person and go. Yup he's right we are gonna go with him and ask no one else.
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If you want I can contact Intel and get real critical numbers from them but it will take time. If we want it done right we need it from the correct source, and make sure they aprove it.

working on that as we speak Val smile.gif
im sick and tired of the endless discussion every where about this issue..lol

"ill get to the bottom of this!" biggrin.gif
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working on that as we speak Val smile.gif
im sick and tired of the endless discussion every where about this issue..lol
"ill get to the bottom of this!" biggrin.gif

Thank you.
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"Intel found that at 22nm and smaller that lead-free solder started to crack and crumble under the pressure, no future chips will use solder."
you guys think theres some truth in that remark?
it makes sense to me..
I could see it from the heating and cooling thermodynamics of the smaller architecture compared to bigger chips. But I don't think anything else could effect it.
it makes sense to me.

yea, i thought normal tim/compound still can go up and down a bit, more flexible, or just push it outward,
solder doesnt do that, so pressure could damage the die that way, the bigger the die, the better pressure gets spread out
been wondering about it for a while now, why they used tim this time, instead of solder,
and it answers one of our questions about, if Haswell will be soldered or not ..lol
Edited by VonDutch - 12/9/12 at 11:45am
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